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<somae> anyone recommend a good backup utility? I'm running slackware 10.2.0.
<graz> tar
<somae> I tried the "easy backup and restore" by alan keates at http://www.faqs.org/docs/gazette/backup.html - it backs up certain directories and burns them to a rwcd - but I wasn't able to get it to function - seems the file is too big for the cd
<somae> I want something that I can use to restore the system if the hd crashes
<ktabet> Hello... how can i share a directory ?for example /tmp/dir1 ?
<gauze> what do you mean share exactly
<graz> /tmp being 1777 is a bad example to share anyway
<graz> gauze: hows that demo coming
<gauze> graz: had a problem with final mix. next week or so.
<graz> cool
<graz> sweet, moer Excel sloppiness
<frazzydee> hi guys, I accidentally deleted the window list from my kde taskbar, anybody know how I can get it bacK?
<frazzydee> erm never mind...found it
<frazzydee> sorry
<sea_b***> say i run ./configure on one of my PC's with intel d805. will that make file work for another PC with core 2, but same OS?
<deww> the binary? sure
<newbie77> Hello! Could someone please give me a hand? I saved a file to /mnt/sda3 before mounting sda3. After fscking and mounting sda3 my old files were still there, but I can't understand why "ls /mnt/sda3" returns one file before mounting, and several files after mounting.
<graz> a mount sits on top of the data already there
<graz> if you're holding a pen in one hand, and I put a paper plate over that hand, no pen
<graz> take the plate away, pen
<graz> get it?
<newbie77> A good visualization, but what happens when no space on sda3 is left?
<graz> what do you tink happens
<newbie77> if I write a lot to the mounted /sda3, I think it would be saved on top of the unmounted file, right?
<graz> no
<graz> its saved to the device you mounted
<graz> when you unmount that device, the data in that mountpoint is still there
<graz> the data that was in that dir before you mounted to it
<newbie77> hmm
<newbie77> sda3 is 50 GB in size
<newbie77> the file saved when sda3 was not mounted is 7GB
<newbie77> and afterwards I saved 20GB on the mounted sda3
<graz> whast the mountpoint
<newbie77> but df tells me that only 12500k blocks are being used.
<graz> whast the mountpoint
<newbie77> 12500 1 k blocks I think
<graz> ok, I give up
<newbie77> wait
<newbie77> Im a bit slow
<newbie77> the command is "mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3
<graz> is /dev/sda3 currently mounted?
<newbie77> yes
<newbie77> /dev/sda3 on /media/sda3 type ext3 (rw)
<graz> erm
<graz> you said /mnt/sda3
<graz> /mnt/sda3 is not /media/sda3
<newbie77> oh, I just replaced this because I use Ubuntu but I'm aware that most other distros use /mnt
<newbie77> as far as I remember
<graz> doesnt matter what others use, its YOU I'm trying ot help
<newbie77> ok. the actual command was mount /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
<newbie77> sorry for the confusion
<graz> ok so when sda3 is mounted, you see files in /media/sda3?
<newbie77> yes
<graz> and when you unmount sda3, what do you see in /media/sda3
<newbie77> total 12608104
<newbie77> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-02-04 21:05 .
<newbie77> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2007-02-05 00:50 ..
<newbie77> -rw-r----- 1 root root 7715233792 2007-02-04 23:41 dd_rescue.sav
<newbie77> drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2007-02-04 20:24 lost+found
<newbie77> -rwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev 3686 2007-02-04 20:21 usb2.sav.log
<newbie77> -rwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev 13421772800 2007-02-04 20:55 usb3.sav
<graz> dont paste.
<newbie77> -rwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev 7327 2007-02-04 20:55 usb3.sav.log
<newbie77> -rwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev 32516 2007-02-04 20:21 usb.sav.log
<newbie77> sorry
<graz> DONT PASTE
<graz> ok, so th files show in /media/sda3 after unmounting the device?
<newbie77> after umount /media/sda3
<Molsenn> are there any linux distros that just do anti-spam gateway functions? such as a bootable ISO
<newbie77> ls -la /media/sda3 then returns 1 file
<Molsenn> rather than having to piece it all together
<graz> newbie77: huh? you just said all those show after unmounting
<newbie77> size: 704643072
<newbie77> only one file is shown when sda3 is unmounted
<Trengo> Molsenn no, you're supposed to know what you're doing
<newbie77> I mixed it again
<newbie77> darn
<graz> paste that one line of ls -l
<Trengo> maybe some day
<newbie77> -rw-r----- 1 root root 704643072 2007-02-04 22:51 dd_rescue.sav
<Molsenn> I dunno what I am doing wrong but I find spam******in really poor at detecting spam even when I have a low threshold
<graz> 704MB
<Trengo> Molsenn really? i find it quite effective...
<newbie77> you're right again
<newbie77> shame on me
<Molsenn> Trengo, hmm. It's only grabbing about 50% of our spam.
<Trengo> Molsenn sa-update && service spam******in restart
<newbie77> but how should I clean this mess?
<Molsenn> I am on a fairly tight deadline so I'd like to just install a bundled anti-spam solution, any suggsetions?
<Molsenn> Trengo i do that every day :)
<graz> ***uming the device is unmounted, and disconnected (its usb right?), that file is occupying space on whatever partition /media/sda3 is sitting on
<Trengo> Molsenn me too, only i let cron do it :P
<Trengo> Molsenn how much mail do you get?
<Molsenn> We get about 6,000 a day.
<newbie77> graz: its a local SATA partition. I'm trying to recover data from a dying USB HDD
<Trengo> Molsenn one server?
<Molsenn> I am using amavisd as a front-end to spam******in, maybe that is the problem
<Molsenn> Trengo yeah.
<Trengo> i dunno amavis, cant help there
<Molsenn> does spam******in support auto whitelisting
<Trengo> what's your SMTP software?
<Molsenn> postfix
<Trengo> it does, but needs some perl modules
<Trengo> Molsenn i'd go with sendmail instead
<Molsenn> i am not very fond of sendmail really
<Molsenn> hmm
<Trengo> maybe postfix does it all, but i dunno
<graz> newbie77: so you dd'd those files there
<newbie77> graz: Right. but isn't sda3 a partition on its own?
<graz> you tell me
<graz> I cant see your devices
<graz> /media/sda3 is just a place
<graz> a directory
<graz> if you mount a device there, then whatevers on that device will show
<Trengo> Molsenn dnsbl?
<newbie77> and if I mount a device there, the content of that directory will no longer be shown?
<newbie77> but only the content of the device/partition, right?
<Trengo> newbie77 exactly
<Molsenn> Trengo, the company has requested no blocked mail, they want mail to only go to their junk folder, no blocks
<Trengo> when you umount, you see what was there in the first place
<graz> if files already exist there before mounting, yes, they "disappear" until the device is unmounted
<Molsenn> but spam******in is only picking up half of it
<Molsenn> obviously a config issue ha
<graz> the pen/paper analogy I mentioned
<Trengo> Molsenn that's silly...
<newbie77> I see. I interpreted the example in a different way.
<Trengo> you should take as much work off SA as possible
<Molsenn> Trengo, in their business, they cannot afford to miss one single e-mail. one e-mail can mean a revenue loss of tens of thousands
<Trengo> Molsenn look at the logs see if SA is loading all the perl modules it needs
<Molsenn> so they'd rather sift through a junk folde rlooking for legit mail
<newbie77> like "if I save data on the paper, I will not harm the data written on the pen as long as I don't write exactly above where the pen lies.
<graz> any contents in the mountpoint are not combined with whatevers mounted there after
<newbie77> that simple :-)
<Molsenn> spam******in is configured to use dnrbl to tag spam but not reject it
<newbie77> cool
<Trengo> Molsenn set reject at zero
<newbie77> Thank you so much (I I'm already quite nervous because of some files recently saved on that HDD)
<graz> you're welcome
<newbie77> now I can try to recover more. Thank you very much again!!!
<graz> good luck
<newbie77> thanks. I'll need it! (every some hundreds of MB the drive spins down and I have to restart dd_rescue with the -s option (ipos)
<howto> Watch out for the moose.
<graz> howto: whats a moose
<J_Bullet> I need to compare two directories (and sub directories), just the file names, need to see if any are missing between the two, got any ideas?
<WhiteWolf> diff
<graz> sdiff -s dir1 dir2
<J_Bullet> thanks :-)
<WhiteWolf> just don't do it too quickly :)
<J_Bullet> too quickly?
<WhiteWolf> just joking with you.
<J_Bullet> I hope so!
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