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<0> is it just me or are linux users accepting proprietizing linux and allowing for binary only drivers, etc, in a sense going against the original philosophy
<1> farx: yes
<1> but I don't give a ****...I'm a user
<0> heh
<0> i just keep noticing weird stuff lately
<0> well its that mentality arent the users supposed to stand up for it, not just the developers
<0> kind of like saying i dont care about politics im just a citizen
<2> If nvidia wont opensource their drivers, but will provide great drivers, who am I to complain?
<0> a person who is against blobs
<0> if you let one child get away with walkin on your lawn then they all will
<1> They aren't "getting away" with anything
<1> they're doing US a service
<1> it's like bitching about not getting chocolate syrup on icecream you got for free
<1> who are YOU to bitch?
<0> im not bitchin, just observing, but observing it from both sides, not just one
<1> I didn't mean you specifically :p
<0> :p
<2> they're still supporting opensource
<1> see, I can be zealotous, or I can have working hardware
<0> people are gonna expose the source too one way or the other
<2> you don't have to be something to support something
<0> decompilng probably
<1> but if they DID release the source...
<1> sure, let's dig in, and see how badly we can **** it up
<3> I'l trust nvidia's drivers over someone reverse engineering them
<2> indeed
<0> just all seems a little odd to me, to welcome closed source in an open source platform
<2> I don't see it as odd
<0> seeing it as ok will spread
<2> If you use the word hipocracy it will just complete this whole thing ...
<3> write your own OS and deny any closed source support
<0> heh
<0> no need ill just corrupt like anythin else
<0> it's just that 5 years ago if you woulda told me linux would be gettin eviler while bill gates would be gettin cooler (with his charity and how windows has improved) i woulda shat myself. anyway :p
<0> theres always macs i guess
<3> then go to windows or mac heh
<0> or a good linux distro
<2> donating to charity is a great pr stunt for companies with a bad wrap, and you just proved it
<3> yeah, pick one
<0> not just donating, but stepping down to run it
<3> what does that have to do with open source or free software?
<0> nothing, why
<1> he's old...
<1> time to retire :p
<3> that was your original complaint
<0> well i tend to talk about what i last talked about, not what i said an hour ago...
<0> and what i last said was that bill gates was getting cooler
<1> I actually figured he'd be dead before he retired though, heh
<3> now you're just trolling
<0> yeah yeah, everyone just labels someone a troll the minute they disagree
<0> its happening in every irc channel
<0> i better go
<1> wow...
<1> that hostname is extremely telling
<2> I need a beer
<1> gives a several block radius of where he lives
<2> lol, nice
<3> I haven't disagreed with anything about gates. just wondering why you changed the subject when your position became indefensible
<1> inviting back
<3> oh well, at least other channels agree he's a troll
<1> heh
<4> i got a question for anyone who might want to help me out
<2> just ask ..
<4> does anybody know what would cause ANY distro of linux I try to install on my desktop to boot/install REALLY slow?
<4> when same distro will install on my laptop (on now) really quickly
<4> I've tried all cheat codes / switches
<4> System specs on desktop are:
<4> P4 2.4GHZ CPU 1GB RAM
<4> Soyo p4S ultra motherboard
<4> 20GB Seagate HDD (that I'm trying to install on)
<4> HP Lite-Scribe DVD burner
<4> Matrox G400 dual head graphics card
<4> Distro's I've tried are FC4, FC5, Knoppix, and Knoppix STD
<5> can someone point me to a site with info on how to setup my debian box as a named server?
<6> hello
<6> Jul 2 00:04:06 server smbd[1288]: [2006/07/02 00:04:06, 0] printing/print_cups
<6> Jul 2 00:04:06 server smbd[1288]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost
<6> any one can help with samba?
<7> what X server should i use on Windows?
<8> cygwin's is free
<7> k, thats what i got. this should be fun to get working :)
<9> man, I feel like watching some REALLY stupid *** movie
<9> hey look, a cinderella story is on...
<9> I'd do hillary duff
<8> hell yeah
<10> Hi, Im having problems running Fedora Core 5. I've installed it over and over and it still hangs at a blinking underscore
<11> hello, is anyone here using a wlan device with wpa?
<12> I have a question. I am trying to get linux working properly on my notebook. Specifically, I cannot get my PCMCIA card to "light up". I am familiar with NDISWRAPPER and have done so with the driver, and have installed pcmciautils, but I am still having no such luck. I have Toshiba Satellite 5105-S701. Has anyone encountered something similar or know how to help?
<13> try to recompile kernel?
<14> hi
<14> on a cell phone :p
<15> i tried to startx and it said failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
<15> said the same thing for kbd as well
<16> hektik-: did you chge somethin to cause that?
<15> im guessing the new xorg requires you to build modules for the keyboard and mouse now
<16> hektik-: so you installed a newer version of xorg... with the same config file?
<15> im doing a fresh install of gentoo
<15> heh
<17> wow, I used to get help from this channel *years* ago :)
<16> james2: nice...
<17> inv_Arp: I'm talkin' about 6 years or so ago
<18> out of curiousity would placing the perl intrpreter on a tmpfs speed up cgi's ? :)
<19> no
<19> you can easily wrap them in fcgi to make them faster even than mod_perl
<19> far faster than as cgi
<18> bougyman, yes ok , why wouldnt the tmpfs work ?
<18> in theory ..
<19> you still get the lag of starting up the perl interpreter
<19> whether memory to memory or disc to memory
<18> true, just the loadign of the "code" ypu would save on
<9> fork + exec == costly
<18> just i read an article in which it sugests for php to use tmpfs for things such as cookies ... so i thought i take it overboard :)
<9> :)
<9> if your reading the same file over and over, the kernel caches it as is
<9> writing, well, thats different
<19> if you're putting data in memory, use memcached
<19> at least you have a hope of reliability.
<9> whats the 'speedup' on rsync?
<18> cool
<9> haha, its the ratio of read/written bytes to total processed bytes
<20> so does the fancy graphics stuff in 10.1 suse require something more than would be included in a new corporate desktop from HP?
<9> so, if you had a speedup of 100, and transfered 100MB, it means it only transfered 1 actualy meg
<9> networkn: yes
<20> what are we talking here? what would run it ok?
<9> you just need to install the Xorg package I believe
<9> theres howtos on that
<20> are you speaking to me?
<20> about xorg?
<9> yes
<9> Xorg is what gets the neato cube deal
<20> well trying to install it, I got an error shrinking my windows partion and a 3030 in SDA when I told it to use the entire disk
<20> so it won't install :(
<9> itll destroy your data most probably
<20> yah well it was a demo machine anyways
<20> now I have to find a unit for it to install upon
<20> :(
<9> :P
<9> I got a freebie off the local LUG
<20> well I am a little surprised it would't install.. does it not support the latest chipsets or sata or something?
<9> yessir
<9> not sataII tho... there was issues with those... dunno about that now tho
<20> ok well strange, booted again and it partitioned ok
<21> Is there any way to turn on heavy debugging in IE or firefox so you can trace javascript errors
<9> xtor: haha, no
<9> IE its that little icon in the status bar, that gives an error and line based on the combined code
<9> firefox however
<9> tools -> Javascript Console
<9> you can double click on the error, and itll show what line, and what caused it
<9> its scarey awesome
<21> nice
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