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<farx> is it just me or are linux users accepting proprietizing linux and allowing for binary only drivers, etc, in a sense going against the original philosophy
<Qwell> farx: yes
<Qwell> but I don't give a ****...I'm a user
<farx> heh
<farx> i just keep noticing weird stuff lately
<farx> well its that mentality arent the users supposed to stand up for it, not just the developers
<farx> kind of like saying i dont care about politics im just a citizen
<koroded> If nvidia wont opensource their drivers, but will provide great drivers, who am I to complain?
<farx> a person who is against blobs
<farx> if you let one child get away with walkin on your lawn then they all will
<Qwell> They aren't "getting away" with anything
<Qwell> they're doing US a service
<Qwell> it's like bitching about not getting chocolate syrup on icecream you got for free
<Qwell> who are YOU to bitch?
<farx> im not bitchin, just observing, but observing it from both sides, not just one
<Qwell> I didn't mean you specifically :p
<farx> :p
<koroded> they're still supporting opensource
<Qwell> see, I can be zealotous, or I can have working hardware
<farx> people are gonna expose the source too one way or the other
<koroded> you don't have to be something to support something
<farx> decompilng probably
<Qwell> but if they DID release the source...
<Qwell> sure, let's dig in, and see how badly we can **** it up
<IdiotStic> I'l trust nvidia's drivers over someone reverse engineering them
<koroded> indeed
<farx> just all seems a little odd to me, to welcome closed source in an open source platform
<koroded> I don't see it as odd
<farx> seeing it as ok will spread
<koroded> If you use the word hipocracy it will just complete this whole thing ...
<IdiotStic> write your own OS and deny any closed source support
<farx> heh
<farx> no need ill just corrupt like anythin else
<farx> it's just that 5 years ago if you woulda told me linux would be gettin eviler while bill gates would be gettin cooler (with his charity and how windows has improved) i woulda shat myself. anyway :p
<farx> theres always macs i guess
<IdiotStic> then go to windows or mac heh
<farx> or a good linux distro
<koroded> donating to charity is a great pr stunt for companies with a bad wrap, and you just proved it
<IdiotStic> yeah, pick one
<farx> not just donating, but stepping down to run it
<IdiotStic> what does that have to do with open source or free software?
<farx> nothing, why
<Qwell> he's old...
<Qwell> time to retire :p
<IdiotStic> that was your original complaint
<farx> well i tend to talk about what i last talked about, not what i said an hour ago...
<farx> and what i last said was that bill gates was getting cooler
<Qwell> I actually figured he'd be dead before he retired though, heh
<IdiotStic> now you're just trolling
<farx> yeah yeah, everyone just labels someone a troll the minute they disagree
<farx> its happening in every irc channel
<farx> i better go
<Qwell> wow...
<Qwell> that hostname is extremely telling
<koroded> I need a beer
<Qwell> gives a several block radius of where he lives
<koroded> lol, nice
<IdiotStic> I haven't disagreed with anything about gates. just wondering why you changed the subject when your position became indefensible
<Qwell> inviting back
<IdiotStic> oh well, at least other channels agree he's a troll
<Qwell> heh
<steveng> i got a question for anyone who might want to help me out
<koroded> just ask ..
<steveng> does anybody know what would cause ANY distro of linux I try to install on my desktop to boot/install REALLY slow?
<steveng> when same distro will install on my laptop (on now) really quickly
<steveng> I've tried all cheat codes / switches
<steveng> System specs on desktop are:
<steveng> P4 2.4GHZ CPU 1GB RAM
<steveng> Soyo p4S ultra motherboard
<steveng> 20GB Seagate HDD (that I'm trying to install on)
<steveng> HP Lite-Scribe DVD burner
<steveng> Matrox G400 dual head graphics card
<steveng> Distro's I've tried are FC4, FC5, Knoppix, and Knoppix STD
<fame_> can someone point me to a site with info on how to setup my debian box as a named server?
<azmo> hello
<azmo> Jul 2 00:04:06 server smbd[1288]: [2006/07/02 00:04:06, 0] printing/print_cups
<azmo> Jul 2 00:04:06 server smbd[1288]: Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost
<azmo> any one can help with samba?
<tom`> what X server should i use on Windows?
<gauze> cygwin's is free
<tom`> k, thats what i got. this should be fun to get working :)
<Idle`> man, I feel like watching some REALLY stupid *** movie
<Idle`> hey look, a cinderella story is on...
<Idle`> I'd do hillary duff
<gauze> hell yeah
<xZeddx> Hi, Im having problems running Fedora Core 5. I've installed it over and over and it still hangs at a blinking underscore
<sysrpl> hello, is anyone here using a wlan device with wpa?
<thwart> I have a question. I am trying to get linux working properly on my notebook. Specifically, I cannot get my PCMCIA card to "light up". I am familiar with NDISWRAPPER and have done so with the driver, and have installed pcmciautils, but I am still having no such luck. I have Toshiba Satellite 5105-S701. Has anyone encountered something similar or know how to help?
<Aquarius> try to recompile kernel?
<jjshoe> hi
<jjshoe> on a cell phone :p
<hektik-> i tried to startx and it said failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
<hektik-> said the same thing for kbd as well
<inv_Arp> hektik-: did you chge somethin to cause that?
<hektik-> im guessing the new xorg requires you to build modules for the keyboard and mouse now
<inv_Arp> hektik-: so you installed a newer version of xorg... with the same config file?
<hektik-> im doing a fresh install of gentoo
<hektik-> heh
<james2> wow, I used to get help from this channel *years* ago :)
<inv_Arp> james2: nice...
<james2> inv_Arp: I'm talkin' about 6 years or so ago
<kaos01> out of curiousity would placing the perl intrpreter on a tmpfs speed up cgi's ? :)
<bougyman> no
<bougyman> you can easily wrap them in fcgi to make them faster even than mod_perl
<bougyman> far faster than as cgi
<kaos01> bougyman, yes ok , why wouldnt the tmpfs work ?
<kaos01> in theory ..
<bougyman> you still get the lag of starting up the perl interpreter
<bougyman> whether memory to memory or disc to memory
<kaos01> true, just the loadign of the "code" ypu would save on
<Idle`> fork + exec == costly
<kaos01> just i read an article in which it sugests for php to use tmpfs for things such as cookies ... so i thought i take it overboard :)
<Idle`> :)
<Idle`> if your reading the same file over and over, the kernel caches it as is
<Idle`> writing, well, thats different
<bougyman> if you're putting data in memory, use memcached
<bougyman> at least you have a hope of reliability.
<Idle`> whats the 'speedup' on rsync?
<kaos01> cool
<Idle`> haha, its the ratio of read/written bytes to total processed bytes
<networkn> so does the fancy graphics stuff in 10.1 suse require something more than would be included in a new corporate desktop from HP?
<Idle`> so, if you had a speedup of 100, and transfered 100MB, it means it only transfered 1 actualy meg
<Idle`> networkn: yes
<networkn> what are we talking here? what would run it ok?
<Idle`> you just need to install the Xorg package I believe
<Idle`> theres howtos on that
<networkn> are you speaking to me?
<networkn> about xorg?
<Idle`> yes
<Idle`> Xorg is what gets the neato cube deal
<networkn> well trying to install it, I got an error shrinking my windows partion and a 3030 in SDA when I told it to use the entire disk
<networkn> so it won't install :(
<Idle`> itll destroy your data most probably
<networkn> yah well it was a demo machine anyways
<networkn> now I have to find a unit for it to install upon
<networkn> :(
<Idle`> :P
<Idle`> I got a freebie off the local LUG
<networkn> well I am a little surprised it would't install.. does it not support the latest chipsets or sata or something?
<Idle`> yessir
<Idle`> not sataII tho... there was issues with those... dunno about that now tho
<networkn> ok well strange, booted again and it partitioned ok
<xtor> Is there any way to turn on heavy debugging in IE or firefox so you can trace javascript errors
<Idle`> xtor: haha, no
<Idle`> IE its that little icon in the status bar, that gives an error and line based on the combined code
<Idle`> firefox however
<Idle`> tools -> Javascript Console
<Idle`> you can double click on the error, and itll show what line, and what caused it
<Idle`> its scarey awesome
<xtor> nice
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