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<0> they allow easy verification and checking of files and allow a quick reinstating of core functionality
<0> P38, that isnt true
<1> sure it is
<0> thats what ya have spec files for
<2> sometimes rpms work better for me for the same program I try to ./configure, make, make install and it doesn't work right but when I did the rpm of it it does
<3> **rpm hell
<4> http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/Files/Essays/RPM_Hell.html
<5> http://b.oooom.net/10w
<1> omegaevil: it takes a long time to understand how to create a spec file
<0> no it doesnt
<1> not a n00b thing at all
<0> as long as you have a list of the macros
<0> and the rest is just bash
<6> c_lisp, compiling from source r0x it. ./configure, make, checkinstall, installpkg package-yopu-just-built.tgz
<0> indeed
<0> so fedora is not a noob distro
<0> hehe
<3> yes it is
<3> OmegaEvil's just in denial
<0> because all is different in distros is the package manager
<1> fedora targes the n00b but allows the expert to grow the machine
<0> and packages binaries
<3> and red hat's insistance on stuffing everything in X
<1> rpm == bloat
<3> agreed
<0> naa
<0> dont have the source
<0> flying about
<0> saves space
<2> hmm never done it that way MilligaN
<0> and the main thing is m*** rollout
<1> oh come on... space is such a non-issue these days
<0> thats what it was designed for
<3> first you do when you get an rpm is try to figure out what TYPE of rpm it is
<0> P38, space is always an issue on a server
<0> my server is always full
<7> first thing you do when you want a chat program ... is type apt-cache search chat
<0> ;-|
<3> is the rpm for Red Hat, Fedora, SuSe, Mandriva, or one of the other five thoursand rpm distros out there, and which version(s) of those distros?
<7> then you select one and type apt-get install xchat
<1> i can build a 200 gig os from gentoo.. and it be usable. can you do that with a rpm distro ?
<0> last thing I want is a couple of gigs of source
<7> then apt gets everything for you
<7> with an rpm it tells you its missing a library
<1> loll 200 meg
<7> so then you have to go hunt down which rpm has that library
<3> then you have to go find all the dependencies, again, repeat the process with each rpm
<7> then get it
<0> i could if i wanted to
<3> and maybe in the end you get a working system
<7> with apt-get it does it for you
<3> hence, rpms are a pain, and not worth it
<7> debian makes life so much easier
<0> it depends
<3> the .deb world isn't nearly as fragmented as the .rpm world
<7> one command downloads and installs 60 packages
<7> rpms have to be on your hard disk
<0> jer up2date can do that
<0> Jer no they dont
<1> jer: i would have said portage/emerge but same concept.
<3> OmegaEvil: yes, and we all love it when yum fubars the entire system
<8> loves rpms
<7> OmegaEvil: it up2date you have to registger for
<7> when i last used it
<3> Jer: up2date is great, when it actually works
<7> and then it still doesnt get all the dependencies
<3> which it never does
<2> up2date ****s
<7> s4dowcat i know
<0> when you last used it sunny
<1> emerge -Duv world and no more distro upgrades ever
<9> :P
<0> must be a long time ago
<7> omega i last used it for fh9
<7> rh9
<0> well then...
<0> stfu ;-D
<7> i installed fc1 after its release
<0> hehe
<3> OmegaEvil is a die hard red hat supporter
<0> ;-DDDDDD
<7> ]AFTER the release
<0> Sh4dowcat, no I am not...
<7> and the kernel source that CAME with it did not compile
<3> liar
<7> i was like WTF
<0> ive always said that every distro has advanatages
<0> every package manager that is
<7> ya some kernels compile some dont lol
<3> there are no advantages to an rpm based distro
<3> what so ever
<7> i agree with that
<0> there are
<0> loads
<0> just because
<3> except that it's good for keeping the admin's hair to a minimum
<1> i have a machine that has been running a gentoo install since redhat 9 died. it is up to date and i have not had to re-install it once because of a distro upgrade
<0> you dont understand rpm ...speak to Jy
<7> i used rpm distros from 1997-2003
<2> one day there will be a domination distro of linux like windows
<7> never again will i use one
<3> OmegaEvil: I undertand .rpm, .deb, and ebuilds
<3> I still think rpms ****
<0> P38, you dont have to reinstall to upgrade
<5> rpms = piss-wheel
<3> understand*
<5> Just what I've always wanted -_-
<0> Sh4dowcat, thats your oppinion
<1> omegaevil: yes you do you can call it an "upgrade" but it is a reinstall
<3> if you attempt to upgrade a heavily customized rpm distro
<0> well what do you call an update then ?
<3> you run into a few cyclical dependencies
<3> and BOOM
<0> upgrade ?
<3> OmegaEvil: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
<3> done
<0> so gentoo reimnstalls itself too
<0> and ebian
<0> debian
<1> omegaevil: you have to boot to a install cd to re-install/upgrade except for rebooting for new kernels, my system is always up
<7> well sh4dow, apt-get dist-upgrade has broken systems before
<0> thats a ly
<7> i have to admit that
<9> P38 no you dont
<9> yum can do it all
<1> hmmm i dont lie explain yourself
<0> If you argue a point at least know what ya are talking about
<3> Jer: when apt breaks something you can usually recover
<3> when rpm breaks something
<2> yea I love yum
<7> ya that is true
<3> you're usually screwed
<0> Sh4dowcat, that also isnt true
<3> because apt will throw out all of X if it can't get a library right
<3> where as rpm will just sit there
<0> rpm -e --nodeps
<0> rpm -ivh --force
<0> done
<7> Omega ... --force?
<1> webany: what do you mean "no you dont" do you mean you dont have to boot to a install cd to upgrade?
<3> OmegaEvil: that's when I have rpms that are actually made for my particular rpm distro, and MY version
<0> Jer yes
<9> P38 affirmative
<7> by default ... if you have to force something, i'd say its broken
<3> and those are a pain to find in themselves
<9> can be done via yum
<0> to replace broken files...or to replace files
<7> you shouldn't have to force anything to make it work
<10> bah, stupid vmware!
<0> Cippo, haha
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