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<0> and its awesome
<1> to some extent, I agree with you. I just put more importance on some worldly objects than others. some strike me as worth having.
<0> but if the *** stops
<1> and worth being attached to.
<0> it doesn't matter
<2> ..
<2> suggestions to shut up
<1> posessions are meaningless.
<0> what do you place importance on?
<1> people are worth everything.
<0> rukk i agree in a sense
<0> but not in the attachment sense
<3> lol jen
<0> in the "i want to help other people" sense
<1> Jen: dont approve of the conversation? :\
<0> comp***ion, loving-friendliness, etc.
<1> and comp***ion, friendliness, good deeds, thats all just hollow acts based on a empty ideal without true love, p***ion and desire.
<0> i disagree
<0> "love" "p***ion" and "desire" that you're talking about means you're helping others to feel good
<0> instead of being genuine about it
<1> and to be genuine you cant care?
<0> caring isn't attachment
<0> comp***ion is a very important concept in buddhism
<1> I realize. It strikes me as forced comp***ion, though
<0> since all malicious deeds are caused by suffering
<0> rukk, its not
<0> i genuinely feel very comp***ionate for people who are angry
<0> and negative
<0> because i know they are suffering
<0> and i've been there myself
<1> maybe we need to suffer to be human. maybe we have to be angry and indulge in our folly
<1> if you had never known suffering, physical as well as emotional pain, how would you know the good?
<0> you are very attached to your attachment P=
<0> rukk, we are born suffering
<0> all beings that are not enlightened are suffering
<4> ,,,
<4> is this some nut religious preacher?
<0> i'm not preaching anything religious or dogmatic
<0> simply a philosophy of the mind
<1> more a theological debate
<0> its not theological at all
<4> i seeee
<4> ummm
<0> rukk: would you read this page? http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/fourtruths.html
<1> and yes, I am attached to things, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
<1> yeah man
<1> just a minute while I read it
<0> rukk: pleasures don't have to derive from attachments
<0> suffering does, though
<4> this should clear some things up
<4> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bukkake.php
<1> ahem
<4> :)
<1> dont do that again.
<5> kick his ***, sea b***
<4> spamalop
<4> photochop me some stuff
<4> lol
<0> rukk, minds states achieved in meditation are much better than any worldly pleasures
<0> but its something you have to experience
<1> its not about getting a better high or being "happier"
<0> like being in the zone and transcending while playing sports
<0> rukk: thats exactly my point
<1> I don't know what part honor plays in buddhism
<0> its better, because your mind is clear, focused, and concentration
<0> er in deep concentration
<0> rukk the 4th noble truth should answer that question
<0> if you have any specific examples i could use my knowledge to attempt to answer you
<1> but without giving my all to the things I hold dearest, the things I truly love - without giving my attachment, and enduring pain at their loss due to their impermanence, I would not be honoring them, and hence undeserving.
<0> i don't think you need attachment to accomplish any of that
<0> in fact, its only detrimental
<0> attachment implies you're doing these deeds for selfish reasons -to feel good
<0> rukk, its something to think about, anyway
<1> have you never felt the stunningly beautiful agony of intense attachment?
<0> yes
<0> it ****s P=
<0> i don't find it beautiful at all
<0> i use to be addicted to cocaine
<0> (long time before i found out about buddhism)
<0> and obviously i've been "in love"
<0> i'm human
<0> i've suffered greatly
<0> i've also experienced awesome pleasures
<0> and i'm not saying it ****s to be a normal human
<0> its still kicks ***
<0> but there's something much better
<1> I can understand why you'd want to remove yourself from attachment
<1> things get bad enough and most people end up doing the same thing to some extent
<0> well i was relatively "happy" before i found out about the 4 noble truths
<0> my drug addiction was a long, long time ago
<0> my life is just that much better now P=
<1> thats good man
<0> meditation is probably the best tool i've found to affect change in my mind in the direction of my will
<0> if you've never tried it, i'd highly recommend it
<0> i just do it in a chair
<0> no cross legged stuff
<0> just really good posture in a chair
<0> great for your back btw
<1> why do you need to change the direction of your will?
<0> not the direction of the my will
<0> change my mind ACCORDING to my will
<0> the unconscious clings to patterns
<1> and it takes meditation to do that?
<1> of course.
<0> no, its just the best tool by far i've found
<1> fair enough
<1> my conviction tends to be enough
<0> well you'll never find out its awesomeness if you never try
<1> this is true
<0> knowledge isn't worth much if not applied
<0> it took me a while to really realize the 4 noble truths
<0> after i initially learned about them
<0> i actually took a cl*** at my university about buddhist meditation history
<0> i saw them as half truths
<1> dont you see though? there are two ways to approach the problem of attachment and hence suffering
<0> but now i see them as completely true
<0> rukk explain?
<1> well, I'm sure there are more, but there are two strong opposites that present themselfs to me right now
<1> one, your way. detachment. remove the attachment and hence remove the suffering.
<1> two, is to accept both of them, and instead of closing yourself to the pain (normally unsucesfully atleast to some extent), accept it and open yourself to it, just as you do to love and attachment.
<1> if you never face suffering and pain without closing yourself off to them in one way or another, you never grow strong from them.
<0> one cannot avoid pain without being attached to non-pain states
<0> a person who is truely deatched in the buddhism sense does not shy away from pain states
<1> I'm not talking about avoiding pain. quite the opposite
<1> no, but he/she blocks them another way
<0> nope
<0> there is no blocking
<0> anyhow
<0> if you're interested
<0> that website is great
<0> especially the summary of the 8 fold path
<1> yeah, its interesting.
<0> just note, buddhist monks devote their lives to helping others
<0> and if you've never met one
<0> i'd recommend going to a temple
<0> not just a buddhist monk
<0> but many religions share the same philosophy of detachment
<0> like hare krishna
<1> oh it makes sense from a logical standpoint
<0> humans tend to hold on to their beliefs very strongly
<0> it is difficult to accept an entire different belief system about desire
<0> took me a while
<0> my friend is going to this university
<0> called nueropa or something like that
<0> it was founded by a modern enlightened monk
<0> who would have *** with virgins
<0> and get drunk
<0> but wrote amazing texts
<0> about buddhism
<0> for the west
<0> its pretty funny
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