| |
| |
| |
|
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Comments:
<0> networkn: "Dial 911 and die" http://www.jpfo.org/Dial911.htm
<0> networkn: basically, the state does not have the responsibility to protect you(As represented by numerous court cases). The police cannot arrive before the encounter is over. If the perp has a gun, you are outmatched without a gun.
<1> i'm probably outmatched WITH a gun
<1> a career criminal will do more training than most civilains
<2> since you want to paste some links, guess i'll give it a shot as well
<0> networkn: if you were trained, you'd be two up on the attacker. Trust me :)
<2> But research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60.) The use of a firearm to resist a violent ***ault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimri
<0> networkn: that's an incorrect ***umption. More law-abiding citizens train than any criminal ever would.
<1> drumline_: then you don't know any career criminals who make thier living using a gun
<0> Number17: bull****. factor in suicide and that number dwindles hugely.
<0> Number17: ...and suicide is not what I'm talking about here, so get suicide out of your stats please.
<1> a member of the family doesn't include yourself..
<1> even if that number was double, its the best reason to ban guns
<2> Residents of homes where a gun is present are 5 times more likely to experience a suicide than residents of homes without guns (Arthur L. Kellermann, MD, MPH; Frederick P. Rivara, MD, MPH; Grant Somes, PhD; Donald T. Reay, MD; Jerry Francisco, MD; Joyce Gillentine Banton, MS; Janice Prodzinski, BA; Corinne Fligner, MD; and Bela B. Hackman, MD, Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership, The New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 327,
<2> there , your bull**** comment is now disputed.
<1> heh :)
<1> nicer
<1> nice!
<0> Number17: that whole thing is BS... data is cooked.
<1> drumline_: how can you say that? how is THAT inaccurate and NOT YOUR data as well?
<2> oh yes... 6+ doctors cooked the data..
<1> I think i have seen all the evidence right now that this discussion is pointless.
<0> Number17: "43 times more likely to kill a member...." those people set out to create a stat that was so huge that it would scare anyone when it doesn't even apply to the discussion.
<1> [12:59pm] <0> Number17: that whole thing is BS... data is cooked. << at THAT point your argument became emotional
<2> you
<0> networkn: actually. you don't know me. so hands off.
<1> it excactly relates to the discussion.. you say crime goes down, I say innocent deaths increase by a higher proportion
<1> hands off?
<0> networkn: and I say Training....
<1> training which doesn't exist
<0> networkn: yeah... "hands off me"
<1> how do i have my hands ON you?
<0> networkn: here: "You are getting emotional drumline... you have lost your ability to think" I'm saying keep those comments to yourself because that have no bearing on reality.
<2> A study of 743 gunshot deaths by Dr. Arthur Kellermann and Dr. Donald Reay published in The New England Journal of Medicine found that 84% of these homicides occurred during altercations in the home. Only 2 of the 743 gunshot deaths occurring in the home involved an intruder killed during an attempted entry, and only 9 of the deaths were determined by police/courts to be justified (FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scient
<2> nice.. way to kill people unjustifiably..
<1> the reality is that you have without checking, totally disregarded a very compelling peice of evidence, but want us to take your stats as correct..
<3> Here's a good statistic for you... The study of 2,200 people in Los Angeles found that even heavy marijuana smokers were no more likely to develop lung, head or neck cancer than non-users, in contrast with tobacco users, whose risk increases the more they smoke.
<1> therefore you are no longer arguing the facts, but the fact you are emotionally tied to the discussion, and therefore unlikely to be prepared to concede valid points, therefore making the argument pointless
<0> networkn: http://www.ncpa.org search "concealed carry"
<2> okay and marijuana and gun control go together how ?
<0> networkn: because I didn't reference any specific sources doesn't make me wrong. you do realize that right? :) I said go check it out for yourself...
<1> its basically come down to the fact you believe what you believe "just because!"
<3> Number17: They go together because... I'm ready to burn.
<0> networkn: actually no. It's a value judgement. The person who is violating my right to safety gives up his own right to safety. And the only thing that levels the field is a weapon in my hand.
<4> wow this argument is still going on
<0> snoops: it's a big one. :)
<5> lol i was thinking the same thing snoops
<0> yeah.. .It's about time to call it.. .
<4> I went to the shops, bought a keyboard, bought lunch
<2> **** guns.
<0> networkn: I totally respect your position. I invite you to see the information I've seen and then proceed from there. :)
<0> networkn: the "dial 911 and die" article is great too and demonstrates aspects of the issue I can see.
<1> well I must say thats a much better ending that I expected given 99% of arguments on irc result in name calling, parental origin questioning, ***uality insuitations.. :)
<4> aww
<4> yay my keyboard
<1> overall I am pretty happoy :)
<4> god I love this thing
<6> drumline_, you hit drums?
<1> snoops: what is it
<0> networkn: me too. :) jerkface.. hahaha... just kidding
<4> another microsoft natural ergonomic 4000
<4> I killed my last 4000 by spilling wine on it
<4> :(
<1> snoops: i HATE ergo keyboards
<5> n00b
<5> and wtf you doing drinking wine
<0> MrPocket: indeed... got a wrist injury years ago though that limits my ability to play for long periods of time.
<4> I absolutely love ergo keyboards..been typing on them for the last 8 years
<1> I love to debate.. I don't even mind which side I am on, but I prefer a logical argument with intelligent people :)
<2> so ****ing hot..
<5> then you have come to the wrong place networkn
<2> Why can't hell be the artic tundra or someplace, fawk
<1> its a good sign we can discuss a topic as hot as gun control, without resorting to insults :)
<0> networkn: likewise... It's even fun to play the devil's advocate too... helps to work out concepts.
<1> grouphug
<1> drumline_: yup :)
<4> this latest one by ms is just a joy to type on..anyway you should be getting back to your guns vs no guns :)
<6> drumline_, youhit DCI style, or set?
<2> silence newbies, im trying to watch some dokuro-chan
<0> networkn: I know a guy that is one fierce devil's advocate... He can really hit hard without any insult; just with well-reasoned and forceful arguments.... It's a treat to discuss things with him.
<0> MrPockets: never DCI... I did some marching in HS which was really fun and also played jazz band on the set...
<1> drumline_: yah without being too big headed, that guy sounds like my twin :)
<0> I played years later on the set in a band and cut a CD.
<0> haha...
<0> networkn: perhaps :)
<6> www.myspace.com/sitdownsarah
<6> thats my band
<2> No point in arguing with you, you're minds set in stone about guns, no matter what we say you'll just come up with dumb rebutle "the data is cooked!"
<2> Problem is the american attitude.
<0> Number17: it's no point in arguing with me because I disagree with the principle of disarmament. Jews were disarmed and look what happened. Lemme tell you what would have happened if they actually understood what disarmament really meant. They would have cried foul instantly and opened fire when the nazi's came to take them to the camps.
<4> well you know, canada, has one of the highest gun per capita in the world..
<4> and one of the lowest crime rates
<0> Not saying that I'd open fire on my own government... We're certainly a far crying from nazi germany, but I'd be seriously concerned.
<4> other countries, more guns than you can shake a stick at, with more violence than you can shake a stick at
<4> the amount of guns does not have any direct influence on the crime rate for that nation..
<4> so uhh yeah!
<2> uhhh.... seriously thats the dumbest **** ive heard today... about the jews.
<0> Number17: sorry you feel that way... 6 million died because they couldn't defend themselves. That curdles my blood.
<0> Those Nazis should have taken hot lead from every jew in that country.
<4> some days I really feel like we've an evolving species, then I hear about so many wars and so much death and it just brings me back that we haven't evolved at all
<2> OK lets take up your point then, equip the entire nation with guns.
<2> Now the jews are a very small proportion of the population
<0> But that wasn't an option because Hitler disarmed them with the gun registry data that was compiled years beforehand.
<2> now, who will win, Jews OR the government + people ?
<0> Number17: look. We disagree on principle here. I'm not budging. :)
<2> Besides don't tell me people didn't fight back
<1> drumline_: I dont think that 90% of jews would have opened fire personally
<4> can I help Number17? Equip entire population with guns. Bigger guys are made and imported..Which the criminals use. The government supplies the popular with bigger guns again, to match..Bigger guns are imported for the crimials, government counteracts by giving bigger guns to population
<7> whoa wtf is this
<7> this is #hardware
<1> they are a very peaceful nation
<7> not #jewware
<7> or #jewwar
<0> networkn: The thing is that they were able to cart them away because they were disarmed. They may have been able to cart a few hundred away before one Jew opened fire and said he wasn't going to leave. And then, it would have started.
<2> hahhahaha omg.. **** thats the most ignorant thing ive heard.
<1> without it actually occuring its all conjecture.. its better to discuss facts
<2> yeah one jew with a handgun to hold down the nazi army..
<1> things that have actually occured
<0> Number17: actually, it's estimated that around 100 guns allowed Jews to fend off thousands of German troops for about a month before Germany allocated more troops to finally kill them off.
<0> that's not in dispute.
<2> "the data is cooked!" there is my rebutle
<1> you definately had that one coming :)
<0> I think Boliver is inviting with a script to his channel.
<5> i fended off the germans with a nerf bat
<4> Nerf are superior weapons afterall
<0> Boliver asked me a general question. I replied. He responded with, "my IRC client has lossy privmsgs. Would you mind joining my channel #tstech to continue?"
<0> anyway... was interesting folks...
<0> networkn: best regards. Be well.
<0> to everyone else as well..
<0> adios
<1> okie
<3> I'm no bot. I use my buddy's IRC client and its lossy when it comes to privmsgs (you can even read the bugs page to verify), so I chat privately in a channel.
<2> **** your 'absolute' amendments.. and **** capital punishment
<3> and **** drumline for misquoting me: <3> My IRC client has lossy PRIVMSGs so I miss out on something. Mind if I invite you to #tstech to discuss?
<3> I wanted to talk about gun control.
<1> would a 3.2ghz processor (intel) with 512k cache, be a prescott?
<2> i got bored of gun control, besides this is my free time, no college debate
<2> networkn: cpuid.com
<1> 800fsb
<8> hey
<8> why do some motherboards have 2 gigabit connections now?
<8> I don't think people will really have 2 internet connections and will want use them simotaniously with wingate
<2> meh costs them nothing so they just put it on
<1> albatron make **** motherboards right?
<8> Number17 talking to me?
<2> um.....
<1> if it were a choice between foxconn and albatron what would be the best choice?
<2> foxconn
<2> foxconn makes/made motherboads for a lot of manufacterers
<1> **** it doesn't have a AGP Slot
Return to
#hardware
or
Go to some related
logs:
#sex
gay foxhole
convert dynamic +fixmbr
#computers
openwrt upsidedownternet
idesk config
#bsd
#firebird
#politics
debra lafavre
|
|