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<0> it shouldn't matter at all, all that should matter is the performance
<1> diditric: A thread is an object which contains a string of instructions and their context. A process has one or more thread. Windows has what's called a thread schedualer where it determins what thread to execute and when. Microsoft wants it so you can't buy their base level version of windows and use it for your server.
<2> have you seen a situation where 3.4ghz and 3.6ghz in the same model/brand performed same
<0> comparing an amd 2GHz to a intel 3GHz has not relevance they have different architectures
<0> even intel's centrino cpus were out preforming p4s
<1> Windows is crippleware, but the fact of the matter is that a home user dosn't need a hack to make a 32bit os support 64 processors and 64gb of ram. Microsoft allows you to use dualcore on home, but not dual processors, because dual processors signifies professional equipment which is why you need to buy XP professional to use dual processors.
<0> people comparing amds GHz to intels GHz seems ridiculous..
<2> free2b i never did that
<1> Isn't centrino just a set of intel chips, the processor being a pentium d?
<0> ok sorry, i love you
<2> free2b i was only comparing same brand/model
<1> diditric: The one with the higher frequency will be faster. but the ratio of performance is differnt then the ratio of frequency, I already said that.
<2> Hoe`` okay
<2> hoe i have dualcpu computer where it's not a server related
<1> Processor archutecture is a wacky wacky world. Out of order execution, uop cache, crazly staged pipe lines, and the list goes on and on.
<1> diditric: Dual cpus are also often seen in professional workstations that need it.



<1> Home users do not need dual cpus.
<1> The processors must support SMP, and that's an instant x3 on the processors price.
<2> hoe do you mean motherboard?
<2> does sharing L2 cache cause latency?
<2> on dualcore
<2> i am ***uming it does
<3> each core has its own l2 cache
<2> i thought it was shared so it has better price/performance
<2> how else it can have better price/performance
<1> I said that's a potential benefit. It hasn't been implimented yet.
<2> oh okay
<3> on dual cores you see eg 1mb + 1mb
<3> hmm
<1> Look at an opteron, MP, and a xeon processor. Don't tell me thouse are reasonably priced for a home machine like an x2 is.
<3> i dont know bought that nevermind
<3> ill allow hoe to continue
<1> Na, I'm done for the night.
<2> but xeon have large amount of l2 cache
<1> Yes, there's other things about them that do help justify the price. but you wount find a reasonably priced SMP processor outside of an Athlon MP 2000+
<2> somebody in #macintosh just told me dualcore is more expensive than dualcpu in APPLE world
<4> christ they told you wrong. people in #macintosh are talking about pricing? hello?
<4> i mean seriously, HELLO?
<2> lol okay
<4> mac people should NEVER say **** about pricing
<4> to anyone
<0> om
<0> omg
<2> but macs do look better
<4> not to mention apple is now using dual core intel processors
<4> so they can eat it
<2> they were running dual cpu before
<0> apples and oranges
<0> apple has great marketing
<4> didtric: because there were no dual cores for them to move it
<4> to
<4> if you want a dual cpu, get one
<2> free2b only for ipod
<4> jesus, just get over it
<2> i still don't understand why ipod is so popular
<2> ipod isn't even that great
<3> yeah
<3> i dont use ipods either
<5> they are pretty
<5> thats about it...
<6> uh...
<6> they are amazing tech
<6> the amount of space you get for the money
<7> Which mobo is best outa -->
<7> ASUSTEK A8N-E
<7> http://au.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=455&l1=3&l2=15&l3=171
<7> MICROSTAR K8N Neo4 Platinum
<7> http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=637
<7> ABIT KN8 ULTRA
<7> http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=285
<8> hmm
<8> i like msi
<8> but i'm no expert
<7> What are the top ram manufacturers?
<8> any ram stick with samsung chips
<4> get some corsair value 2.5
<8> yea corsair value is very good performance for the price



<4> or the low end xms for $20 more if you absolutely must
<7> How about Legend?
<4> never heard of it
<7> Anybody heard of legend and can comment on it?
<0> omg, it took 8 hours to encode something.. i need a new pC!!!!!!
<7> XviD encode?
<0> divx
<9> I'm having an annoying BSOD problem...from the beginning, first 4 or 5 months the computer ran fine after ***embled and turned on, all default/auto bios settings
<9> then one day just BSODs, even when computer is idle, like just sitting overnight
<9> I did a lot of troubleshooting there, read minidump files, did debug, found out it was memory corruption most likely
<9> and BSODs went away with using only one stick of memory (either one) but not both... I looked up memory timings for my mobo and ram and tried them, that worked for about a month
<9> BSODs are back but only under stress now
<9> memtest was useless, p***ed modules all the time
<9> I got prime95, 32 bit and 64 bit
<9> 32 bit runs fine, 64 bit finds errors...makes no sense. But once again removing a DIMM makes 64 bit find no errors either
<10> memory problems can be caused by motherboard problems
<9> dunno if it's a DIMM slot (so mobo) or memory controller on chip, or what
<10> I suggest you try two other (matched) sticks
<9> these are a mathed pair, unfortunately many people are reluctant to offer me their memory
<9> I try to get them to run my memory, but they're being lazy
<10> well, memory is cheap
<9> I suppose, you suggest getting low quality just to find out? I have heard this DFI motherboard is picky about its memory
<10> cheap memory isn't neccessarily low quality
<10> I just picked up 2x1 GB of GeIL PC3200 memory for like $225
<10> running it well below the specified timings with 2,75v
<9> and it ****ed?
<9> 225 is as much as my processor
<9> first off
<9> your definition of cheap memory is a little bit different than mine
<9> are we talkin AUD, CAD?
<10> USD
<10> and I'm talking about a 2 GB set. 1 GB is *really* cheap
<9> alright it will only boot off of one DIMM slot
<9> manual says there are a variety of different arrangements that it will boot with just one DIMM
<9> 2 ways, at least
<9> and the funny thing is, the way it will boot, is not one of the ways they list
<9> DIMM slot 4 with a single DIMM in it, whereas they say 1 and 3 can take a lone DIMM
<10> it's very possible that there's just a problem with your motherboard
<9> but what about the chip
<9> could it be the memory controller?
<10> unlikely
<9> i kinda wanna narrow it down to increase chances of RMA success
<10> i know, but the only way you're gonna do that is by swapping parts
<9> I'll hafta offer my roommate a $1 bill tomorrow, so he stops reading WoW message boards and being a lazy idiot and just does this for me
<10> lol, right
<9> I could theoretically put the PC3200 in a PC2100 mobo right?
<9> I don't know whether that'd really be a good test though
<10> it could work...
<9> I have an older machine, I am worried that if I put my ddr 266 into the new machine it might over-voltage or somehow toast it
<9> the machine I'm talking on now
<9> it has no bios settings for the RAM so I have no idea
<11> make sure they use the same voltages
<11> if they match up as far as socket wise goes
<11> and the voltages are correct then its just faster memory
<11> but WATCH the dam voltage
<9> i know, I hafta read SPD off of thse before I jam them in the other computer
<9> I like my PC2100 in this comptuer very much...because IT WORKS!
<9> I dunno if this bios will read the SPD properly off of those new chips that go faster than it supports, and because there's no manual settings it might not work properly at all
<9> therefore I do not want to toast this ram and think that I can shove the PC3200 in and keep on running (this machine is a work machine, that's the only reason I haven't gone totally insane because of the other one)
<9> incidentally now the other computer won't boot at all, I tried shuffling the DIMMs around the slots, it stopped working altogether with a single dimm, it worked one more time with both DIMMS
<9> now it just doesn't boot at all ever
<9> shoddy-*** bios
<12> go back to sleep
<13> i wish
<13> gotta do interviews at work today
<13> going to ****
<12> hmm find a way to make it fun
<12> like leave the room and see what they do when your gone
<13> i cant see in the room without them seeing me
<12> i dunno how much fun that could be but in right circumstances probly
<12> well rig it ahead of time
<14> Hello
<14> I got a huge problem, my computer reboots 5 times per hour


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