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<0> somebody should do a comparison between dual xeon performance and pentium D of similar clocks performance.
<1> who cares
<1> both chips ****
<1> :P
<0> not really
<0> depends rather heavily on what your doing with them, as you should know.
<1> true
<1> but compared to an amd64 they ****
<0> for some things.. but keep in mind that for the cost of a low end x2 cpu only, I could build most of a dual xeon, or a pentium D.
<0> weird eh, intel being the budget solution now?
<1> it's the budget solution
<1> but it's still a horrible platform
<0> yep.
<0> xeons using their shared fsb
<0> pentium Ds being incredibly hot and power hungry, and having nothing but crappy boards for them.
<1> actually
<1> the boards are pretty sweet
<0> not really.
<0> its all asus ****.
<1> but it doesn't really matter
<1> you can't fix a building with a rotten core
<0> ehh
<1> I'd actually prefer an Intel chipset over nvidia's stuff
<0> I'll wait for conroes to come out, then prices on all this **** will go down.
<0> yeah, thats part of my reason for liking the xeons.
<1> they're more stable
<0> and more predictable
<0> I've been thinking a iwill dh800 would be pretty cool with a couple gallatins
<0> I've been thinking my next computer should be a full submersion rig
<2> changing components on it will be a bitch
<0> sorta
<0> it'll just take a few hours to let all the dialectric fluid run off before you can change ****.
<2> uh huh, as I said, it'll be a bitch
<0> doesnt bother me though.
<0> hard drives, optical drives, and psu wont be affected.
<0> which is the **** I change.
<0> the rest of the system wont get ****ed with.
<0> I think I'm going to build a little refridgeration unit into it too
<0> cool the dialectric substance around the cpus, northbridge, gpu, etc down below 0c
<2> for your beer?
<0> that too.
<2> is it heavier than water?
<0> yes
<2> so you could take it out in the rain
<2> cool
<0> yeah, but..
<0> why? :x
<2> or take it swimming
<2> me and my super fun pal, who's fun to be with..with real human personality
<0> yeah.. no.
<0> it'd be more of a tech demo than anything, really.
<0> it'd be a interesting challenge making the components last well while submerged in below-freezing dialectric liquid for a matter of years.
<1> Pain|dnd: don't msg me
<0> meh, waste of time.
<0> not to mention moneyh
<0> boats > computers
<0> in every way.
<3> acbel 500w psu should be good right?
<4> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010340343+1051707438&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=343 or http://www.b***computers.com/shop/itemdesc.asp?CartId=10176388-ACCWARE-SAIBU56&ic=CPUAMD9145 would u guys pick? to go with a Gigabyte K8Triton
<5> is thoroughbred or palomino core better?
<6> hmm seems newegg doesnt ahve 2tb external drives listed, just 1 tb ones trying to see about how much 2tb would run
<1> why?
<1> you can't afford it anyway
<6> I can in a month or two if I set aside some funds
<1> a 2tb drive?
<1> there's no single hd that can store that much
<6> "External"
<6> they useualy have 4 drives inside
<6> arrayed as one
<1> I'd rather buy a bigger case
<6> I already have 5 drives and 2 removable bays in this case
<3> a raid 0 array?
<6> only 1tb on newegg and its a maxtor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144021
<3> for a 2tb of data?
<6> I dont like maxtor
<3> that seems crazy.. 4 drives which could potentially fail leaving you totally vunerable
<6> Its all backed up on dvdr as well, just want it constantly network accessable
<6> so failure isnt a huge problem
<1> so build a nas
<3> you back up 2tb of data onto DVDR?>
<1> I have a bunch of old PIIIs running as nas boxes
<6> hmm I can get a 500gig drive for 270, and two would be less than the maxtor
<6> I have enough for two of those sitting in ebayable parts on my desk right now
<7> i wudnt mind a PIII
<7> Sh4dow: how much for one?
<1> dude unless you're in Sweden
<1> I ain't shipping
<7> haha
<7> ohh
<7> why, is it a problem to ship?
<1> and I don't sell old usable boxes
<1> I put them to work
<1> :)
<7> ehh
<7> i want one for a game server
<7> i have a PII but it's so loud i hate it
<8> lol
<1> then silence it
<7> how?
<7> hehe
<1> it's way too late for me to be teaching silencing101
<6> I got a GB-1000 firewall appliance recently, but its software/sopprt was discontunued, cool thing is thouhg
<6> its got an undisabled/crippled bios
<6> fully boots with a pci videocard
<6> and all the ide/floppy ports are still in place unlike on some brands, coughciscocough
<6> so turning into into a linux firewall/webserv
<0> yeah..
<6> has 4 onboard nic's, it was a celeron 600 with 64m ram, upgraded it to p3-1000 with 320m ram
<6> Would be funny if I upgraded it to 768M ram, and put in a p3-1200 and overclocked it a bit, and added a radeon 9200 pci 128m, I would have a router that could play HL2 :P
<6> its in a 1U rackmount case which is nice
<0> right, you told us all this yesterday as well
<2> I'm still waiting to hear the problem
<6> didnt recall if you were the same people that were around before
<0> right
<2> heh I chose a case in the end RuKK - will play around with its acoustics later I guess
<0> good
<0> you can really make any case quiet.
<2> I'm hoping to make it inaudible
<2> or as close as possible to that sweet spot
<6> I need my computers noise, I cant sleep without a decent ammount of white noise
<2> I haven't heard the rain on my roof in years.
<6> I hear people walking on the sidewalk outside, yes the footsteps. every damn little sound, need something to mask it all
<0> lol
<0> RogerRabb, if your willing to pursue it, and spend a bit of money and make a bit of effort, you can have a whisper-quiet computer rather easily.
<0> silent is a little harder, but not really THAT hard.
<6> just get really long cables and stick your computer in another room :P
<2> I went with a lian li v2000a plus+ case RuKK
<6> might need a series of signal amps on the way though :P
<2> it's large enough, so gives me room to place with things like acoustic foams
<2> I don't really want to bother with a different heatsink, but I may
<6> Heatpipes that run into your freezer :P
<2> pretty much refuse to go water cooling
<0> why?
<9> watercooling owns
<0> water is a great solution if its designed well.
<2> I don't want to worry about the maintenance
<0> sure, there are lots of horribly built and designed systems that are worse than expensive heatsinks.
<9> can be maintenance free if done right
<0> like I said, well designed, and you wont.
<6> is there a liquid (and dont say nitrogen or die) that can be put into a watercooling system and work better without being super spendy
<0> I put a watercooling system in a customers system... 2 years ago now
<2> doesn't the liquid need to be changed every x number of running hours?
<0> its as good as the day I installed it, and he's never opened the case.
<9> you dont need to change water in a loop
<0> Langly1, not really, no. water is actually REALLY good.
<6> too bad they cant find a way to make copper remain a liquid at cool temps :P
<6> or a paste
<6> heh
<2> hmm..fish tanks need to be changed every once and a while, just like cars
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