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<0> Ironicaly, shortly after getting onto IRC with it I was trout slapped
<1> lol
<2> networkn your problem is screaming of heat issues
<2> either than or faulty cpu
<3> I've got an old 9500pro graphics card in another pc..the gpu fan in that died awhile ago, and I only noticed when I tried to play a game on it..anyway I was after a quick dodgy fix..so I used twist ties and 'contact adhesive' (no superglue could be found), and well basically put an old 60mm cpu fan on it
<4> well the heatsink doesn't seem hot, its well stuck onto the cpu with thermal paste
<3> works like a charm
<2> what is the exact temp?
<4> datil: the fan is hard clear plastic, held onto the case with little clips, but its not a tight fit, so it rattles
<4> very annoying
<4> i stuck some cardboard between the loose parts to "secure" it and it seems better now
<2> networkn what are your exact temprature readings when then pc is under load
<2> ?
<4> but I think they should screw fans to the case, not use plastic thingy
<4> Bez-UK: well the only way to tell is in bios, but around 40c
<4> m/b 35c
<2> what about your gfx card
<4> how can I tell?
<2> you got nvidia?
<4> yah
<2> display settings
<2> advanced
<2> somewhere in there
<2> loo for temprature or performance or something
<2> particularly under load
<4> running 81.67 drivers
<2> it'll be there somewhere
<2> I'm on ati here so can't be more specific
<4> its a quadro4 xl 750
<5> real quadro, or hacked?
<4> real
<5> nice
<5> what do you use it for?
<4> tis printed on the pcb
<4> cad
<4> its my father in law's pc
<5> cool, what kind of cad stuff do you do?
<5> ahh
<4> achitect
<4> 3d drawings
<4> lighting
<4> he can simulate shadows at certain timesof the day, in certain months etc
<5> yeah
<5> I was doing concept architectural models for a self sufficient house and the customer was really interested in that.
<6> RUKK0r
<5> where it would cast shadows at certain times of the year, **** like that.
<6> you have returned :x!
<2> slef sufficient house?
<5> ice_cold, I've been around for a few weeks now :P
<5> well, or like, a week.
<5> Bez-UK, yeah, no details are being released right now, but it uses a interesting combination of new and old tech that is reasonably cheap to build ones self to provide electricity, heat, cooling, and food.
<4> RuKK: my father in law does that ery same thing..
<4> energy efficeient and self suffient houses
<5> awesome
<4> he is actually doing a phd in it
<2> I grow my own weed
<2> lol
<5> that makes you practicaly self sufficient ;P
<4> well its not the hdd's in this pc..
<4> just locked again shutting down windows
<5> yeah, didnt seem likely.
<4> ok it has to be cpu
<4> could be m/b but its been replaced a long while ago
<5> doesnt mean ****.
<5> check out the caps on it.
<4> what caps?
<5> all the electrolytic ones
<5> oh alright.
<5> carefully inspect all the tubular things with flat ends on them sticking out of the board at a right angle
<5> if they appear to be leaking brown stuff, or if the tops arent EXACTLY flat, IE bulging slightly, they are bad.
<3> hmm antec sonata II looks okay
<5> hahaha ;x
<5> if I was a rich man I would buy a antec and convert it into a toilet.
<4> capacitors.. I know what they are.. I just didn't immediately click to caps :)
<4> well I can't see any temp indicators in the nvidia control panel
<5> did you check out the caps?
<5> heh
<3> toilets are generally a lot more expensive than the antec cases..
<5> I dont buy stuff like toilets new.
<5> I get them from salvage places, where they cost me between $2 and $5
<3> ..how many toilets do you own?
<5> one
<5> I've rebuilt quite a few houses, which usualy need a whole new set of bathroom equipment.
<3> hmm
<4> RuKK: wanna give me an idea on a good cad pc intel/nvdia chipset
<4> spec
<3> networkn you're looking at expensive gear for cad
<3> what apps will you be using?
<7> RuKK: could you give me an idea on a good intel/nvidia spec pc for cad.. my father in law just said he wants a new pc.. he is sick of trying to fix this one, and next step is new chip/m/b, memory and video card
<3> notworkn it depends on budget
<5> yeah, REALLY depends on budget.
<5> I definetly wouldnt go for another p4 though.
<5> if your going to get a p4, you want a dual core, which is a bad idea beacuse of heat/power consumption
<5> dual athlons can be good deals for cad performance, if you know how they work and their quirks, and can get good deals on used combos.
<5> thats usualy what I do for cad customers
<5> or high end used dual p3 setups.
<5> they really do perform better than single p4s for that sort of application.
<5> other than that, your options are athlon64, which is ok but not ideal, a athlon64 x2 which is great but not cheap, dual core s939 opteron, which is quite a good option, or real dual opterons, which are great but expensive.
<5> dual xeons do nicely, but they make a LOT of heat and are generaly finnicky, so a pita to set up, but once its solid, it'll stay that way.
<5> graphics/cad workstations are my thing :)
<5> if you wanted to do a cheap dual xeon setup though
<3> how are matrox going these days with their cad pci-e cards?
<5> you could grab a asus pc-dl, or a asus ncch-dl, 4x512 or 2x1024 of cheap consumer grade pc3200 (something like samsung, crucial or kingston), and a couple used 2.4 533bus xeons.
<5> with IWTs they would be a nice setup.
<5> RogerRabb, nfi, matrox dont interest me anymore, sadly.
<5> their driver situation is so bad I wouldnt think of putting one in one of my systems, let alone a customer's.
<7> yah I don't want amd
<3> they had true dual head video cards..not enabled in software, didn't they?
<7> every amd I have ever seen/had has been nothing but trouble
<7> I need dual head video
<5> hah
<5> intel are much more trouble, in general.
<5> mostly because of the new intel ****'s horrendous power/heat requirements.
<5> and I have yet to feel confident in the stability of a intel chipset later the i875
<8> actually the new stuff uses less power
<8> and is faster
<8> and cheaper
<5> if your talking about the yonahs, then yes.
<8> but hey lets not think about the facts
<5> if we're talking about prescott derivatives, no.
<8> prescott is last decades news
<5> not really
<5> look at the dual cores man
<7> Actually I use a P4 3.4 ghz, 2mb cache 64bit, on an asus P5WD2 Premium m/b and its very very stable, though the cpu fan ***embly isn't easy and most people get it wrong causing the pc to overheat
<8> its all about quad core now
<5> and I hate to think what a quad core p4 would be like.
<3> ..if you count hyperthreaded
<5> hyperthreading is a virtual processor, it has nothing to do with the number of actual cores.
<3> obviously
<8> ah it really has quad core
<8> i think you guys have been smoking the crack pipes
<5> uh?
<5> intel are actually selling a quad core consumer grade chip?
<5> and I'm not talking about high end xeons..
<5> eh?
<5> I didnt think so.
<8> huh
<8> i figured id get you guys rilled up a little
<8> they are out if you have th emoney
<5> well sure
<5> and a 32 cpu 1200mhz sparc with 128gbs of ram is just as feasible if you have the money
<7> ok well I am a little lost.. I don't want AMD
<7> so whats the next best thing
<5> well then you've got 3 options, dont you
<5> a dual core pentium D, a dual xeon, or a p4.
<0> or wait and get a quad core kentsfield :P
<9> Pentium E
<9> kentsfield is nice
<5> wow..
<5> have any of you guys looked at the heat output statistics of the pentium D?
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