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<0> :(
<1> no, the smiley :)
<0> I was reading the newsletter and I a wrong click on IRC screwed me over
<1> LOL kde is dying all around me
<0> -I
<2> so tending to pager calling my boss and breaking up a 1/2 at the same time ... talens ... yes :)
<1> the konqueror icon is gone
<3> gameman73: omg, not konqueror!
<1> yeah, oh well
<2> kdebase includes konq
<1> i suppose i could go back to konsole for filemanagement, i user FF for browsing anyway
<1> its ok i know why its gone :P
<1> the K menu is odd too :)
<2> use fluxbox :)
<0> I hate now gnome, kde and enlightenment all have their applications start with the first letter of their window manager
<3> fluxbox is too bloated, blackbox or ratpoison
<0> kde and e are the worst for it
<0> With e it's like EVERY package has to start with an e
<2> wtf flux bloated?
<3> hehe, just trying to get a reaction :-)
<2> :)
<1> ive heard a lot about trying different WMs,, ill get around to it some day
<3> The Day that KDE dies?
<3> (which is today)
<2> i have kde on here ... used it for like 10 days actualy made an attempt to switch to it ... ****er crashed on me like every other day
<3> I use Konqueror for it's FileSize View, that's it.
<2> i use ls
<2> damn pager goes a bit nutty when you reboot the router :)
<1> the only part that dies on me on a regular basis is krfb
<0> I've always hated KDE
<0> and I always probably will
<3> logic_box: du is quite useful, but if you've ever seen File Size View you'd see what I mean
<0> They should just sell themselves to microsoft and get it over with
<2> ls -lh ?
<0> MKDE
<3> du -sh > ls -lh
<3> works on folders :-P
<4> i think KDE is fantastic, it allows noob users on linux networks to be able to use linux
<2> blahh du don't show perms
<0> Obsidian: You make that sound as if it's a good thing :)
<0> My first distro was Slackware and I turned out fine.
<4> yes but not everybody is adept at computers
<2> it's a good intragrated desktop ... lots of apps relying on the same ****
<0> Well then they shouldn't use Linux
<4> i'd rather they didn't use windows
<4> because windows is ****
<1> so n00bs cant use linux, so stick them on windows, how long until their boxes are zombied? then they affect us
<4> gameman73: indeed
<1> just a thought *goes back into his own corner*
<4> heheh
<4> cheers
<0> gameman73: Don't you recall in the late 90s?
<2> put them on osx
<0> Literally thousands and THOUSANDS of insecure redhat boxes?
<0> All hacked, creating flood nets?
<0> All from europe/asia?
<2> statd ... mmmmm
<4> blk_jack: you consider redhat to be a good linux distro?
<0> Obsidian: that's not the point
<4> its a good one though
<1> no, because i really wasnt on the net in the late 90's even then, i wasnt into computers at the time as much as i am now
<2> Obsidian: it was a generic rcp vuln just about every distro was vuln
<0> I'm responding to gameman's ***umption that anybody using Windows will get zombied (unlike Linux)?
<0> It was INSANE
<0> the amount of boxes that were hacked
<1> windows is just more common these days
<4> blk_jack: ok, 1 vunerability in the late 90's for linux
<0> 1??
<0> More than 1 man
<4> thats all you've presented
<0> There was tons back then
<4> back then
<4> what about now
<4> in the NEW linux age
<2> gameman73: but for the ost part when a nix box gets hacked it eats more bandwith
<0> Well I'd have to go check out rootshell.org or whatever again, heh
<0> Remember that **** logic?
<2> blk_jack: yep
<1> yes, i helped start a flame war ... *goes back to corner*
<0> Back in the day man
<0> This ain't a flamewar
<0> I'm just saying
<4> "back in the day" linux was no where near workstation status
<0> Windows isn't as bad as everything thinks (I haven't run Windows since Windows 95)
<2> plain and simple linux has had it's own issues
<0> and Linux isn't as easy/mandatory as some Linux fanatics think
<0> I use Linux because it works for ME
<0> I don't think anybody else should use it
<0> I don't really care if anybody I know uses it
<2> and for the most part 1 linux box is equal to 10 windows boxes in a ddos situation
<0> But I dig it and I'll explain to people WHY I use it... but I don't preach or push :)
<1> XP has gotten stabeler, ill give it credit there, and thanks to routers, we really dont have too much of the big virus threats (like,,, what was it,,, nimda? something a few years ago, you just had to be on the internet to get it)
<4> i try and sell, but i do tell the truth and tell them its hard to use for the inept
<1> i really need to go to bed..
<4> heh, shoo shoo
<1> night guys
<4> night
<1> crap, i cant do lock session
<1> ill just switch to a console :P
<1> that will keep people off
<2> the biggest problem in security will always be layer 8 ... the carbon layer
<4> well im off to play WoW too
<1> the users ;P
<4> logic_box: .... carbon layer....?
<2> damn you Obsidian i had to quick cause of this router
<2> Obsidian: the user :)
<4> ah :P
<4> well cheers folks
<2> night
<2> woot mission accomplished **** is back up and i have 1/2 this bag deseeded (crappy ****) ... back to bed
<2> well to WoW then bed
<2> night guys
<5> fsf
<6> Is there any etc-update replacement in the works?
<6> Or an ongoing effort to make it not so crappy?
<5> eic: have you tried dispatch-conf?
<5> i dont have a problem with etc-update really
<6> I've not. I'll take a look.
<5> i scan the list of files that have changed, and verify the ones that i know i have changed, apply or reject those, and -5 the rest
<6> etc-update is can be tedius
<6> I'm in the habit of reading the diffs for each one.
<5> well you only need to read the diffs for the files you have changed yourself :)
<5> the rest you can blindly apply
<6> It's hard to remember sometimes. :)
<7> .com Paste here so we don\'t kill yo Pasted http://pasteme.com/p.php?id=86
<8> how easy would it be to get gentoo with X and VNC going for a beginner at linux
<8> on this machine http://supportapj.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx280/en/ug/specs02.htm
<8> the desktop version
<9> its quite easy
<9> but does it need to be VNC ?
<9> nxserver is quite good as well
<8> not necessarily vnc
<8> just a good remote desktop thing
<8> vnc was just what someone else suggested
<9> nxserver is quite okay
<9> i'm using that
<9> and very easy to setup on gentoo
<10> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/
<10> that'll show you how
<8> thanks will give it a look
<8> thanks for the help bXi and Super-Fly
<9> anybody here know something about vserver ?
<9> void test # vserver test start
<9> chbind: vc_xidopt2xid("test"): Invalid argument
<11> How can I check if suPHP is running on my host ?
<5> make a php script with system("id"); :)
<11> Where would that show that it's running ?
<11> Ah, like that
<11> right .. so, the module is loaded, and I set it to use a fictive user ... yes, it seems to be running as apache apache apache
<9> oops i locked myself out of my box
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