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<0> well "p***wd" by itself does for current user
<0> "p***wd john" if you wanna set the one for john
<1> ok
<1> thank you very much
<1> i realize these are pretty lame questions
<2> and there in the install guide
<1> is there a way to get back to the kde login without rebooting?
<0> umm where are you now?
<2> alt+7
<2> err f7
<1> sick
<3> hey tendo :D
<1> finally im at a desktop
<1> hihi :)
<4> how do I "restart" an eth interface?
<4> instead of rebooting the system to re-enable new settings etc
<0> /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart
<0> same way you restart any init script
<4> aah
<4> thanks
<1> and of course kde doesnt see my other drives or have internet connection
<1> i dont understand why linux works so well as a livecd but not when you install/compile it
<0> because on your new install you are supposed to set this all up yourself
<1> i thought i did
<0> if you wanna see your other drives, you need to mount them
<0> if you want internet, you need to make sure you have the nic driver installed and the interface enabled
<1> it all worked during the install process
<1> in the livecd
<0> yes, because the livecd detects it all for you
<1> lol
<0> on your new install, you set it up how you want it
<0> if you want a livecd-like environment, copy knoppix to your hdd and go
<1> if there is a capability for it to autodetect why would i prefer doing it?
<0> if you want control of your system, use gentoo
<0> because the autoconfig is slower and you cant customize it at all
<1> hrm
<2> gentoo doesnt hold your hand
<0> more importantly, it doesnt make any ***umptions
<0> just because you HAVE a nic doesnt mean you want it enabled with dhcp always
<0> just because you HAVE 5 drives doesnt mean you want them all mounted and mounted r/w all the time
<0> or that you want them mounted in /mnt
<1> why wouldnt you want your drives mounted?
<0> because when they are unmounted, you cant **** them up
<2> ntfs drives for one
<5> :p
<0> and you dont have to worry about access control
<1> i really want to learn all this, i just thought it would be a bit more intuitive
<1> im glad i have another computer right here to read docs :)
<1> my ultimate goal here is to get all the drives working with RAID5 software emulation
<0> there are a few wiki articles on it, should be straightforward
<6> raid5 software is straight forward
<4> Something is obviosly wrong here. I set a static IP address in /etc/conf.d/net - and I can ping that IP from other machines on the network, but I can't ping FROM it.
<0> wow, the single core 3800+ is $150?
<0> Zaitzev: are you sure the IP is unique? maybe another box already has that IP
<4> it is..
<0> whats it say when you try to ping out?
<0> could be a subnet issue
<4> dest. host unreachable
<0> whats your subnet set to?
<4> /24
<4> that's not even the case
<0> are you trying to ping something within that subnet, or outside?
<4> within
<4> I can ping the gentoo box from another pc
<4> but I can't ping anything from the gentoo box
<0> you dont have any funny firewalls blocking icmp do you?
<4> where would that be?
<6> then he'd get timeouts not dest unreach most likely
<4> I have no firewall configured in gentoo at the moment
<4> The thing is; First it works, nothing is wrong. Out of the blue it drops out and can't reconnect
<6> Zaitzev: cheap switch? reset it.
<6> managed switch? drop the speed, could be cabling
<4> ehm
<4> why on earth would I reset a working switch?
<4> *router
<4> I'm using THAT router on THIS machine as well
<4> (wireless)
<6> well we have 3coms in here that do exactly this after a power fluctuation.
<0> could just be a bad nic
<6> or bad cables
<4> cables on wireless? :p
<6> ahh wireless
<4> the point is
<0> or bad signal..
<4> As I said above
<4> I can ping the gentoo box from this machine, but I can't ping from the gentoo box and out.
<6> Zaitzev: tcpdump for arp on the gentoo box.
<4> ?
<4> what do you mean?
<6> watch the arp traffic
<4> I'm not following you
<6> "tcpdump -n arp"
<6> then ping out
<6> see if you get broken arp replies or nada
<6> yeah and check if you have sane route -n output
<4> tcpdump: no such command
<6> heh ok
<6> and you can't install it without net. fun
<4> I just think it's weird
<6> arp -n lists an (incomplete) for what you're trying to ping?
<4> 'arp -n' returned nothing
<6> route -n lists a route for your /24 without gw?
<4> that gave me an output over 4 lines
<4> 3*
<6> is there a "1.2.3.0 0.0.0.0" entry where "1.2.3.x" is your subnet?
<4> and TWO of them show info for eth1 (the wireless interface)
<6> ok. one of these should have gateway 0.0.0.0, aka no gateway/directly reachable
<6> is the ip and the netmask correct on that line?
<4> one shows: 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
<4> the other: 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 2000 0 0 eth1
<6> that means 192.168.0.0/24 is directly reachable over eth1
<6> and that 192.168.0.1 is your gateway
<0> you dont have eth0 up and on the same subnet do you?
<4> it's not started no
<0> well is it up? is there a line in the route output for it?
<6> ping 192.168.0.workingip in one console, then afterwards do arp -n in another
<4> allthough it shows in ifconfig
<0> einride: if he has eth0 and eth1 both up and on the same /24 subnet, wont that cause issues?
<6> yup
<6> exactly these issues
<6> ifconfig eth0 down
<4> ok, done all the above
<6> after ifconfig eth0 down, does it work
<4> no
<4> no change
<4> I can ping this machine tho
<4> but I can't get out on web
<4> arp -n shows: 192.168.0.1 (incomplete)
<4> and 192.168.0.3 ether [mac]
<6> which iface does the incomplete entry list?
<4> eth1 on both
<6> ok. so you're sending out on the right interface.
<4> eh lol
<6> you dead sure you got the ips right?
<4> when I do a /etc/init.d/net.eth1 restart, I get this:
<4> Couldn't find any access points on eth1
<6> wireless pos
<6> hehe
<6> sorry. if you had tp i'd say you were looking at a bad nic/cable. dunno about wireless
<4> it's weird tho
<4> since the wireless router IS working :p
<6> ofcourse it is. it's wireless.
<4> I am connected on the wireless on this pc as well
<6> well are you *sure* you got the ips right?
<4> yes
<6> if you ifconfig eth1 down, and try to ping again from the working box, it should fail. does it?
<6> or has something else taken that ip
<4> eth1 is down already
<4> can't start it, since it doesn't find any APs
<4> and yes it failed ;)
<6> then i give up :)
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