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<0> ][eBerg: am i right
<1> running off a cd is stoopid
<2> well somewhere in the middle
<0> piercey: you use the hdd as cache
<1> that is a terrible idea
<1> hdd's are slow
<2> yea stream the data to the hd and read from there
<2> though a flash drive is faster
<1> besides youd still need a hdd
<0> piercey: cdroms are slower
<1> and hdd space
<2> sell game on 2/4G bootable flash drives
<1> which is what yiure trying to avoid no?
<1> bootable flash, teh expensive
<0> no
<2> that way you get speed w/o using hdd
<1> why you think they stopped making games on carts
<1> what you mean no? m*** market costs would be huge
<0> I can boot my usb thumbdrive... so no bootable flash is not expensive
<2> because silicon prices rose in the mid 90s
<1> a cd/dvd costs a fraction of it
<2> they have falledn drasticaly since
<1> not drasticly enough
<1> for m*** market
<1> there's no advantage i can see
<2> the problem is 99.9% of the games made for PC are designed to run on windows
<1> hdd space will only improve in size and cost
<2> because it reaches the most people
<2> to get developers to change that you have to be able to reach everyone without them having to install an OS
<1> so what youre syaing is everytime i want to play your game i have to reboot to a livecd to play the game? right? uhm, so how is that better than rebooting to windows to play the game?
<2> it's only a firest step
<1> well as some constructive critisism its not a good idea, imho etc blah of course
<2> it's a means to get developers developing games for linux even if they make it cross platform
<2> it's not perfect
<2> and possibly flawed
<2> I bring it up so I get input and ideas
<1> developers opinions are irrelevant
<1> publishers are where the money comes from
<2> true
<1> they go after theoption with the broadest appeal
<1> ie. windows
<1> only way linux will ever get better games support is if theres a huge increase in linux users and an actual market comes about
<3> Hillary is In
<2> Well, thanks to Vista and DX10 there is going to be a possible opening
<3> vote for clinton
<0> jasmine: ?
<2> Carmack has already made a public statement aginst both vista and dx10
<0> vote for clit?
<1> possible, but tats a lot of ifs and butts
<2> actualy he threw a fit before the interview
<1> it wont have such a big impact though because average joe will continue to use whatever comes with their pc
<0> jasmine: I dont trust any of them
<3> did you trust bush
<0> **** no
<3> ok then
<2> You wont be able to play andy dc10 games w/o buying vista, and a 400+ USD video card
<3> heh
<2> *dx10
<1> yes you will
<1> microsoft are releasing a compat lib for xp, you just wont get to see the fancy effects, the gams will still work
<1> games*
<1> too cold to type :(
<3> piercey: use on screen keyboard
<2> where did you see that? their last statement I saw and the one Carmack refers to says that DX10 games will only run on Vista adn tehre are no plans to change that.
<3> like gok (gnome onscreen keyboard)
<1> there's always that x keyboard app, its funky. I used to use that on the work touchscreen terminals
<2> there is the ibm stuff for speech to text
<1> ][eBerg: was on digg iirc
<4> damn, I'm hungry..
<1> even still the people who care about dx10 (hardcore gamers) will either buy or get cracked versions of vista, they dont care about their OS they care about games
<2> yea everythign Im reading form MS as their official stance is that there are no plans, that doesnt mean they arent lieing but it's whaty they are claiming
<1> i know Halso 2 requires vista, but it doesnt mean all dx10 games do
<2> I will get vista for $10 from the univ but I will only run that when vmware supports it
<1> after all halo 2 wont vene use _any_ dx10 effects
<5> piercey: i thought dx10 required vista, period
<1> iamben: to get dx10 effects, yes
<5> oh ok, right
<1> but what i read is that XP users can still play dx10 games, just without any dx10 effects
<5> er wait, is it?
<2> I think he's talking about the dx9 backwards compat
<1> ya
<5> since when can you pick and choose whether you wanna use the DX version a game REQUIRES?
<1> they did that for dx8/dx9
<2> where you can run some dx10 enabled games in dx9 mode
<5> is this new?
<1> ~week ago i read it
<5> did they? i know your CARD didnt need to support the new dx8/dx9 features
<5> but you still needed that same dx installed
<2> Unreal2007 will support that. But some will not
<1> aye
<1> ut2007 is going to be ruined though
<5> so games can choose to implement it in dx9 AND dx10 compatible
<1> i cant believe they got rid of the lg and double dodging
<1> fags
<2> yes
<5> its not a dx feature though
<1> bah kind find it anyway
<5> dang this is a good upgrade day for me... new gcc 4.2, new gcc 4.3, new glibc
<1> alphas?
<1> gtfo :S
<5> yeah i guess none of them are from the official portage tree, sorry to get your hopes up =)
<5> er yeah the gcc are, but alphas hard masked
<1> :p
<5> gcc 4.3 still doesnt build for me, but it seems to be a straightforward error this time, some missing file
<1> theres a big thread on the gentoo forums abotu getting it to build
<5> the "core2 fully functional blah blah" thread?
<5> now i get /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcov
<1> eh maybe that one
<1> although maybe not
<1> it had loads of pages anyway
<5> ill be hitting up the forums shortly now that i've got this new error to work off of
<1> :)
<5> i think its a new function, maybe my newly built gcc 4.2.0 (which i built AFTER 4.3.0 failed) will have it
<2> the knoppix torrenst are incredibly slow
<1> find a direct link
<1> <3 heanet
<2> yea Im looking at the ftp mirrors I try to use torrents when I can to not tax the servers, I try to be nice
<1> ive downloaded from heanet at 8Mb/s :D
<2> where is it in relation to you via routes?
<1> same backbone as my college
<1> fibre, yum. but at home i max my dsl speeds
<2> yea, the purdue one is fast for me but out of date no 5.x releases
<1> :\
<5> sometimes when i was living on campus i'd get a torrent and HOLY **** it would be fast, and then i'd realize there was a seed somewhere else on campus =)
<0> lol
<2> haha, you have to use encrypted clients at my univ, they have stateful and packet inspection to block all P2P
<5> dang, i was helping the neighbor w/ ice storm cleanup and he slipped me a bill, i thought it was a 20 but it was 100!
<0> nice
<2> I think azurez is the only linux client supporting it
<0> ktorrent
<2> your neighbor probaly thought it was a 10
<5> he is old..
<5> but its also a pretty big job
<0> im sure it was cheaper to get you to help then a comp.
<5> one lady i work with got a quote from some tree cleanup service, they wanted 1200 PER TREE
<0> ya...
<5> lots of people around here have 2-3 trees down in the yard & close areas
<0> to bad its not dry wood... would be awhole lot of firewood... which you could use right now
<5> well we've already got enough firewood for this year, itll be good and dry for next though
<0> :)
<2> wow there are no direct links for the knoppix live dvd only the cd
<0> I just go for the cdrom ver
<2> yea, now I have to run to walmart to get some blank cds, arent they depricted now that DVDs cost teh same?
<5> you can burn a cdrom iso on a dvdr
<5> technically its kind of a waste, but just a couple cents
<2> they dont boot
<2> Ive tried
<2> the files are readable
<2> but yo have to convert the boot image
<2> and to be honest I just dont know how
<1> ][eBerg: ive run cd isos on dvds a million times
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