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<0> doing emerge -uD
<1> Ridley, /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
<2> **** I forgot to reset my modem :(
<2> the /28 is still not routing O.o
<1> wait.. i thought seamonkey was masked
<1> it is masked'
<0> hrm
<1> did you unmask it?
<0> nope
<0> i don't even want it
<3> anyone have a recommendations/suggestions for "project management" software? Really I'm just looing for something to do gantt charts, but it'd be nice if Windows users could read it as well.
<0> I guess I don't understand why a package that's not a dependency for another package or isn't shown as an USE flag would be added to the world
<3> Ridley: the dependencies/USE flags might have changed since it was first installed?
<0> but it's seamonkey...which isn't a dependency for anything and it's not a use flag
<1> Ridley, did you try the -t flag?
<0> so what would make me build it
<0> yep
<1> and?
<0> from the bottom
<0> [ebuild N ] www-client/seamonkey-1.0.3 USE="
<0> [ebuild N ] www-client/epiphany-2.14.2.1-r1
<1> better pastebin it
<0> gnome stuff then gnome
<1> pastebin -avtuD world
<0> pastebin?
<1> see the topic
<4> User: pastebin -avtuD world Pasted http://pasteme.com/p.php?id=268
<0> hah
<1> dude
<1> paste the results of emerge -avtuD world
<4> User: ridley Pasted http://pasteme.com/p.php?id=269
<0> heh
<0> that's pretty slick
<1> and you don't see what's causing the problem?
<0> nope
<0> that's why i'm asking )
<2> oh god
<5> yes my son?
<2> people eating at their desk should be banned
<2> BANNED
<6> heh
<2> place of work
<2> not food
<1> Ridley, epiphiany
<1> epiphany rather
<5> what? I eat at my desk :D cuz I'm at home :)
<6> is it gross watching them?
<2> talking about at work dude
<6> Smong: me too
<6> :)
<5> I know I know
<0> katepls, why is that causing a problem?
<5> I don't have a desk at my work
<7> hmmm uhm okay
<5> I have a machine that puts cookies in a bag
<5> lol
<1> Ridley, seamonkey is a dep of it.
<6> lol
<0> i just unmerged epiphany to get rid of it
<0> and emerge added a N flag back to epiphany
<5> I hate being not certified to do the work I want to do
<0> i can see the little indent before seamonkey
<0> ah
<1> -t is for TREE btw
<1> use it
<0> but i'm being forced to build epiphany because that's a depedancy for gnome?
<1> hmm
<3> Ridley: right: that means that seamonkey is depenency of epiphany (that is, epiphany requires seamonkey)
<6> Ridley: yesh, that kinda sux
<1> i don't know gnome.. lemme look
<0> but -t doesn't clearly show that epiphany is a dependancy of gnome
<8> just emerge gnome-light and remove the packages you dont want
<1> there you go
<8> and also remove gnome
<1> gnome-light
<6> gnome is a mem hog
<0> should equery depends gnome show all the dependencies for gnome?
<5> what does ***ERT() actually do
<1> that's half the reason i hate gnome/kde
<6> at least the last time i used it
<6> yeah
<6> my swap is finally working
<6> :/
<1> hurray for swap
<6> yes
<1> do you guys still follow that rule about making your swap twice the size of your ram?
<6> considering i have a gig of ram and whenever i used top, i was always out of mem i would be like wtf
<8> hmmm, I try not to use it to the point I detune swappiness from 60 to 10
<9> hi :P
<6> heya kash
<8> however a gig of ram makes that decision quite easy
<1> my server has 4gb of ram, and a 512M swap
<1> i felt like a goof even making it 512M
<9> how goes it
<6> mine is 512k too
<6> tired
<9> mine is 512 also!
<6> i mean M
<10> katepls: on some of the servers I maintain, the person in charge wanted 2GB /boot parts, and 10GB of swap.
<9> me too
<6> it seems to be enuf for now
<10> these are machines with 2-4GB or ram.
<9> rofl @ new admin
<1> CannedBar, wtf
<6> CannedBar: eep
<9> proly a windows guy
<10> yeah...
<6> haha yup
<1> goddamn, think about how long it would take you to fill up a 2gb /boot with kernels
<6> 10g of swap is like rigoddameddiculous
<9> haha
<11> CannedBar, swap=at least 2x real mem
<10> katepls: lemme check the current stats
<11> at least on important boxes
<6> mine is half and i get pretty good performance
<9> you could store all 2.4-2.6 kernels compiled
<3> the old rule of thumb no longer applies
<11> Hawson, why not?
<3> ( swap = 2x RAM )
<6> and it would be like a gig
<3> because it's silly
<11> ah :)
<11> why?
<3> and a waste of space now
<10> renihs: yeah yeah, I know, but technically they have 20GB of swap each (he didn't want me to raid1 the swap parts like the rest of the main drives)
<11> whats the *reason* for the 2x real mem?
<3> it *used* to make a lot of sense
<1> i'm guessing you could compile every vanilla kernel made one time, and it still wouldn't be 2gb.
<11> Hawson, if it used to make sence? why?
<3> beacuse back when systems had small amounts of memory, you really did need swap for basic usage
<11> lol
<0> katepls, thanks
<1> Ridley, get it working?
<11> you want a core memory dump be able to writen even if memory full
<0> yea
<3> renihs: how often do you do that?
<11> Hawson, lol?
<6> haha
<10> katepls: 128MB used with 12 kernels installed...
<0> i guess i still don't understand why -t wasn't showing epiphany as a depend for gnome
<3> I will conceed that is a valid point, however, but if you know that you need to dump memory to disk, you also know when to apply the 2x RAM rule as well
<12> what OS runs with 12 kernels installed
<11> you dont need swap at all on a good box
<6> hehe
<11> if it starts to swap its dead
<3> for many users, I'd say that swap = 1x RAM, or even 1/2x RAM (depending.
<10> SufferAll: I keep old kernels
<3> renihs: correct
<12> oh
<6> this shhould be tru
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