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<0> ...:)
<1> matja: so do i :(
<1> i cant stop listening
<1> ;o
<0> argl
<1> lol
<2> Do most ISPs SMTP servers only work on their network?
<0> my brain filters it
<1> bitrot: id say so, to avoid relaying
<3> ShALLaX: why is it so pleasing :(
<2> ShALLaX: yeah
<0> need to focus to hear it :)
<3> bitrot: http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/demo/xmas.mp3
<3> listen
<2> i've never heard of a SMTP from an ISP using SLA
<3> i DARE you to Listen.
<2> matja: no sound ;(
<1> SLA?
<1> i wonder how long it took to make that mp3
<3> 4 years
<1> rofl
<3> definetly worth it
<1> why french though :<
<2> err not sla
<2> secure p***word authentication
<4> anyone here using Global Pops with ISDN?
<2> I just love how people expect us to offer a SMTP server that works for them everywhere on the earth
<0> vpn?
<2> I want to yell at them and say if it's that big of a ****ing deal setup a god damn SMTP server yourself that works everywhere.
<2> or yes a VPN even, something, just stfu.
<0> yes, thats the way thats done...
<0> with vpns
<0> i think :)
<2> no
<2> it can be done more than one way
<0> ?
<2> either VPN or their own SMTP server
<2> I just hate how everything has to be up to the corporation to do
<3> how hard is it to setup smtp auth
<0> worker with client somewhere at planet -> vpn company gateay -> access internal smtp server -> done
<3> really.
<2> and the end user is just supposed to sit there and consume
<3> its like 4 lines in exim.conf
<2> matja: pretty hard when you have thousands of users using the smtp server w/o auth
<2> 2nd our customers don't even understand how to setup smtp alone w/o auth, I could only imagine w/ auth.
<2> we don't need auth anyways
<3> then its time to change now, before it gets worse
<2> nope not at all
<0> you are isp?
<2> our smtp server is very secure
<2> and we don't need no stupid auth
<3> secure yes, usable, no
<3> smtp auth makes it usable from ip's you dont explicitally relay from
<2> matja: hahaha it's _very_ useable
<2> on _our_ network
<3> bitrot: exactly
<2> sounds useable to me
<2> it's not our responsibility to provide support for SMTP on _other_ networks.
<2> get a clue
<1> WE WEEESH YOU A MEHHRRRCHRY CHRISHTM***
<0> anyonehow too confused anyway
<0> gotta hunt some prey in et
<3> bitrot: well its different over here, most phones and pocket pcs have ip connectivity, and isp's accept smtp auth on their relays, even on their network's ip address range
<3> which imo is far better
<3> not everyone wants to run their own smtp relay
<5> skotchtoberfest!
<3> or they dont know which one they're supposed to use if they're roaming
<2> we do run a relay
<3> but then we dont approve of the capitalist ideas of multi-teered network billing, either
<2> We offer a relay heh
<3> like the US seems to be pushing forward
<2> but again must be on our network
<2> I personaly don't want to support someones email problems on network B
<2> because when ****head can't send mail they will call the outgoing SMTP ISP
<3> if you use smtp auth, you dont have to
<2> and then of course we don't know how that network is setup
<3> thats the point :p
<2> no
<2> that's NOT the point
<2> i just made the point
<3> if they use transparent outbound smtp redirection like aol, it all goes wrong
<3> then you have to support it
<3> but they usually only do that on their own address blocks anyway, so they dont need to use smtp auth
<2> RIGHT
<2> like _MOST ISPS_
<2> jesus fing christ
<3> but thats not what you want
<3> i cant accept mail from aol.com
<3> aol.com relays think im a dialup
<3> purely because of my hostname
<3> cant convince the admins otherwise
<3> now, if smtp auth was standard, and output transparent smtp proxy wasnt, that problem wouldnt exist
<3> smtp auth is a better idea, generally
<3> and ip acl's, not
<3> smtp is a really bad design anyway
<6> hi
<6> ludes 1950 and 2950s are ***y
<2> matja: Yeah but most users don't even know how to type the smtp server name into the ****ing wizard that outlook gives you
<2> and you want them to setup SMTP auth *CAKLES*
<7> keekles
<8> So - the Intel Pentium-D cpu - is it like a new "celeron"?
<1> pentium-dunce
<9> hello
<9> can someone look here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-488338.html please ?
<1> looks very much like the gentoo forums
<10> indeed
<10> i like the color of that header
<6> hey
<6> when installing gentoo in vmware do i use the same cflags as the system
<6> or are there different ones
<11> anyone know why '-A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable' returns an error when doing iptables-restore? its straight from the how-to
<2> http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1957
<2> new Leopard features
<2> neat
<2> comes with Apache2 (finally) Ruby on Rails (RoR) and Subversion ;P
<1> leopard my ***
<6> http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2224908
<6> read first post
<6> and click the pic 2 differnt cool things
<1> so old
<1> isnt that the one where they identified him from his teeth
<6> oh i dunno
<2> lol pretty funny
<12> Are there any C libaries similar to STL for C++? I can think of glib, but that's about it.
<3> just use stl :(
<3> cant think of any
<3> c++ and Boost = <3
<2> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4780963.stm
<2> Funny how they don't mention their Punch Card systems; p
<12> matja: can't use STL in C. P-/
<3> Hawson: why use c
<3> the concepts behind stl dont apply to c, anyway
<12> why not?
<12> it's a user request
<13> c > *
<3> you cant really emulate it without a lot of fluff
<13> * < c < php; in my life
<12> I happen to like C more than C++, but then I've used C more than C++
<3> because stl is based on polymorhpism and gerneric programming
<3> *generic
<12> I'm not looking for templates in C, just standard libraries for datastructures.
<3> neither exist at a high level in c
<12> I know.
<3> if you just want linked lists and hash containers, thats easy to code yourself
<3> the rest of stl is kinda dependant on c++ features
<12> it is, and it's easy to have silly bugs, and stupid to re-code it 50 million times
<12> Thus, I'm looking for a fairly standard library, in C--not C++, that covers basic data structures (trees, lists, hashes, etc).
<12> This is *similar* to what STL provides in some ways.
<12> but I agree, it's not the same thing at all.
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