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<0> I still have a use for serial and floppy
<0> And I can't afford a USB keyboard, so. :)
<1> yeah, i havent used onboard sound, ever
<1> tested it on my last two mobos and it really hasnt improved in the 8 years that i saw the first mobo with onoboard sound
<1> on my last p4 board, i could hear network data from the ethernet port when the volume was sufficiently loud
<2> way to much mobo interference
<2> ya
<3> it's a feature
<3> "hear your bandwidth!"
<2> hell put it on a pci-e 1x card, and run a ribbin cable to the mobo for the connections
<1> they really need to ditch pci
<2> all in time
<1> how about: ditch pci, ditch onboard audio and nic's, add put 6-10 pci-e slots on every board
<2> heh ya
<1> and intel need to stop charging stupid money for their pci-e dual-port gige nics
<1> i mean, ****, they have like 2 tiny chips on them
<0> They have to pay the stupid marketing people somehow
<1> and backless pci-e slots, too
<1> with space on the mobo to accomidate wide cards
<1> hell gimme a pen, i'll design a mobo for ya
<2> heh
<3> get a bag of transistors and solder your own cpu
<1> yea
<1> i wonder how big it'd get until you'd have to turn down the clock rate so much that it comes counterproductive to increase the bus widths
<1> Two9A: why didnt you?
<0> I got bored of the idea
<1> i'd like to have a go
<1> but i cant think of a useful task to do with it
<0> AES
<0> Or your httpd
<1> making sram using transistors and a soldering iron would be pretty boring after a few k of it
<0> Mm
<1> what is it, 2 transistors per bit?
<1> or 3
<0> 4, iirc?
<0> You could probably make dram pretty easy; one cap per bit
<1> oh yea, two invertors
<1> dram interface is harder :/
<1> no refresh cycle, no multiplexd data+address
<1> on sram
<1> or core ram!
<0> Meh
<0> Less transistors
<1> could you make logic gates out of relays?
<2> umm... sure
<2> would be a bitch...
<3> lol
<4> It would be easy to make logic gates out or relays, it's what they were originally made from before valve technology took over.
<3> valve? you mean tubes?
<4> tubes? you mean vacuum tubes?
<3> i guess so
<5> today we use transistors
<5> before we used vacuum tubes
<3> yes
<4> All you need is a relay with two inputs that can function as a NAND or NOR gate.
<4> All other logic gates can be built from that.
<3> yea
<4> Are you thinking of making a CPU?
<2> that would be wicked to see
<4> I'm planning to make a cpu out of 74 series logic gates.
<4> But gates would be cooler, it they had little LEDs on them so you could watch a wall of them switch.
<2> damm
<1> that'd be cool
<1> a computer made out of relays
<1> cklckilckiclcilckiclicklcilckcilck
<3> then overclock it
<6> overclick it
<2> depends on the relays used
<1> well obviously mechanical rather than solid-state -_-
<3> 10 gigaclicks!
<1> :D
<2> http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm?qv_pk=3564
<3> cute
<7> the grand daddy - http://www.ab.com/en/epub/catalogs/12762/2181376/2416247/360807/360809/
<2> heh
<2> thats kind of nuts
<3> hmm
<3> cheapest relays i can find have a 10 ms activation time
<3> kinda kills your clock speed
<3> huhu
<2> heh
<2> link?
<1> well
<1> you could use a pendulum clock
<1> TOCK TOCK TOCK
<1> sorry...
<1> TOCKlciclklickclic TOCKlcilcilckcliclck
<3> http://www1.nl2.conrad.com/conrad_nl/layout2/detail.fh?fh_secondid=b2c504297&fh_view_size=50&action=search&fh_eds=%c3%9f&xfh_view=search&fh_sort_by=_sortprice&fh_host=www1.nl2.conrad.com&fh_session=%2fscripts%2fwgate%2fzcop_nl2%2f~flN0YXRlPTcwMzQ4NDk2Nw%3d%3d&fh_session=%2fscripts%2fwgate%2fzcop_nl2%2f~flN0YXRlPTcwMzQ4NDk2Nw%3d%3d&fh_location=%2f%2fb2cconrad_nl_b2c%2fnl_NL&fh_search=relais&fh_refview=search
<1> i am currently bored.
<6> foxdonut: really? we didn't notice
<1> just been overclocking the **** out of a intel e6300 at work
<3> hmm i doubt that link will work
<1> got 3.2ghz out of it :D
<8> Does ext3 frag ?
<1> not bad for a cheap cpu to own a quad opteron in benchmarks
<6> only with a rocket launcher
<2> when you get to 80-90%
<8> and by frag I mean "fragmented"
<8> :P
<1> all fs's fragment
<8> They do ?
<2> yes
<6> only if they're read-write, not read-only :>
<8> But, if I had to choose between ntfs and ext3 for my external harddisk
<8> wich one should it be ?
<6> reiserfs
<2> :P
<1> ext3 in data=journal mode
<2> reiserfs blows
<1> not data=ordered
<1> (the default)
<8> can windows even read reiserfs ?
<6> yes, but works nicely
<9> I like reiserfs
<9> but I'm starting to use jfs
<9> for my media PCs
<2> if you want to be able to r/w with windows .. fat32 ..or use a ext2/3 program in windows
<9> definitely handle huge files better
<8> foxdonut: ok
<9> eh
<9> if you want to do r/w with windows
<9> you can always just samba the drive
<3> samba
<3> CARAMBA
<9> (unless we are talking about dual booting)
<8> MrEcho: This one will only be used on windows
<3> great song
<8> and OCCASIONALLY on linux
<6> fat32 then
<9> just buy a cheap box
<9> make the *nix box a file server with samba
<9> and you are set!
<1> if you need to write to it from linux, ext3, if not ntfs, then
<8> k
<8> ext3 it will be, probably
<9> is *nix NTFS write support there yet?
<8> yesh
<9> I thought it was experimental like a yr ago
<8> yes it was
<1> JackPo: very limited kernel support, you need captive or ntfs-ng to do general write operations
<2> you can read ntfs just fine in linux .... and with ntfs3g(3gntfs ?) its getting better
<9> ah
<3> http://www.conrad.nl/scripts/wgate/zcop_nl2/!?perform_special_action=Produktdetail&product_show_id=504297&p_page_to_display=fromoutside
<3> 61 EUR for a bag of 100
<2> I would go for low voltage
<3> those are 4V, i haven't seen any relais that go lower yet
<2> kind of hard to understand the page...
<3> Un V
<2> Technische spec.: is where i was looking
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