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<0> hannibal rising is going to be slick *** slick
<0> i can't vait!
<1> I can't wait to go in there and do some arp poisioning to get some good info
<1> cus it seems like a planation of cows in that complex heh
<1> good thing IM A WHITE HAT
<1> AHHAHAHAHAHAH
<1> i'm phunee
<2> Hey guys I have ntpd running but my time still get out of sync, what am I doing wrong? how can I make sure time is always accurate?
<0> MINE!!!
<3> bitrot,
<3> our CPEs are attached to 24 gain grids, right. so the beamwidth on those is 6 degrees, and most of these shots are dozens of miles
<3> meaning, the amount of signal just a few feet away from the antenna is effectively zero
<3> on top of the fact it uses a propietary encryption
<3> well i get a call from one of my most hated customers
<4> mikefoo: Do you have working servers in your ntp.conf?
<3> he is threatening to sue, saying our insecure wireless caused him to have his bank account hacked
<3> turns out the guy fell for a phishing scam
<5> soul|w0rk: heh.
<3> and i'm like. even if it was open wireless on a giant omni.. when you login to an https site, it's already encrypted
<3> you're fat and dumb quit clicking links in emails you fat dumb
<3> if only i had the nerve to actually call him a fat dumb
<4> I SHOT MY SELF IN THE HEAD NEAR YOUR INSECURE WIRELESS!!!!! IT'S YOUR FAULT!!!!
<2> xiando: yes I have working servers, I manually ntpdate server and it updated my time.
<0> http://www.dvd.net.au/movies/f/09288-3.jpg
<2> So whats the problem? how often is it suppose to sync my time?
<4> I'm not sure, actually
<3> [14:29] <2> Hey guys I have ntpd running but my time still get out of sync, what am I doing wrong? how can I make sure time is always accurate?
<4> I think ntp contacts at regular intervals
<3> there are 2 things you need
<6> doesn't ntpd.conf have an interval setting?
<3> ntpclient for syncing on boot
<3> and ntpd running to sync real-time
<3> if you don't have ntpd running during boot, your time will still get out of sync
<3> however if it is getting badly out of sync you should probably check your hardware, battery etc
<3> since it shouldn't deviate more than a few thousandths of a second if your hardware is in good shape
<3> hundreths even
<6> ok i guess not
<4> There was a talk at 23C3 about identifying computers using their clock drift
<6> unless you've got some m***ively latency ridden connection
<4> apparently it drifts more at high CPU load.
<6> then it might drift more :P
<6> might be worth it to set a niceness level for it if it's that big of an issue
<4> mikefoo: how's your ping to the ntpserver your are (ab)using?
<2> no
<2> these server run at high cpu at times, yes
<2> we have 100+ servers and handful become out of sync at times.
<2> by 10-20+ minutes
<6> damn
<6> and time is set to localtime, not UTC right?
<6> for these select ones?
<4> 10-20+ minutes is a lot of drift
<2> correct
<4> ??
<4> does ntpd exit from time to time?
<2> hmm i think its that..
<2> ntpd not running for some reason
<4> See, ntp manpage story is this.
<4> "After the machine has synchronized to a NTP server, the operating system corrects the chip from time to time. In case there is no TOY chip or for some reason its time is more than 1000s from the server time, ntpd ***umes something must be terribly wrong and the only reliable action is for the operator to intervene and set the clock by hand. This causes ntpd to exit with a panic message to the system log."
<3> wow
<3> 10 to 20 minutes
<2> possibly being extied.
<3> that sounds like a much more serious problem than ntp exiting
<4> So according to ntp manpage story, you can't drift more than 16 minutes without NTP killing itself
<2> ahh..
<4> manpages actually kind of interesting (imho, I'm sure no hot redhead chick would agree)
<6> npt == (//.-)
<2> heh
<6> ^npt^ntp^
<4> oh, mikefoo, manpage story is that you must be under 128ms from the timeserver
<4> ping the one(s) you're using and check if they are under 128ms away, if else it'll just ignore it
<3> if you want to be really baller,
<3> run your own local time server and have it sync to at least 4 others
<3> that is what we do
<4> fudge <ip> stratum 10 to ntp.conf. what soul|w0rk suggusts is easy to do
<4> stratum is basically how l33t your ntp is, if you're cern or something you're 1
<2> soulmata: ahh ok
<2> i am using the fedora pool as of now on some of the servers
<2> what is stratum?
<3> leap=00, stratum=2,
<3> precision=-20, rootdelay=11.165, rootdispersion=44.244, peer=14535,
<3> refid=131.107.1.10,
<3> reftime=c974d340.5434c1a8 Wed, Feb 7 2007 14:37:52.328
<3> stratum is just an indication of how "precise" your server is, when other machines look up to it
<2> ahh ok
<0> https://registration.arlingtonadulted.org/CourseStatus.awp?~~07WPA120
<0> found a SWEET course for you bitrot
<3> your server will return its stratum value to them and that will determine whether or not they trust your time or use it to sync
<3> the longer your server has been running, synced, the lower your stratum is
<3> however you'll never go above 2 in 99.999999% of cases
<4> I use [0-2].pool.ntp.org and [0-2].fedora.pool.ntp.org
<3> it's setup so that if you just rebooted your time server, your clients won't sync to your server until it has synced itself
<4> oh .fedora.pool.ntp.org is actually cname .pool.ntp.org, glad I noticed
<4> ;)
<4> soul|w0rk: so the default you can set is just changed, then?
<3> ?
<3> i use truetime.uoregon.edu (since they are just down the street) and time.nist.gov
<3> among a few others
<4> you can set stratum in /etc/ntp.conf
<3> yeah i have mine set to default 12
<4> ah, thanks
<3> if i reboot it, our radios won't sync to it until it goes below 10
<3> which normally only takes about half an hour
<7> what error detection mechanisms are at work when tunneling NFS-UDP or NFS-TCP through OpenVPN/UDP? UDP only uses 16 bit checksums...
<8> how do you guys desync your clocks so much?
<8> i set my clock when i install the mainboard
<8> then i leave it for the next five years
<8> do you *really* need nano second presicion on your desktop computer? :o
<8> (i understand bitrot trying to fix his one hour desyncronisation problem ofc :P)
<2> Im not talking about desktop computers, I am talking about 100+ production servers
<2> heh
<8> i was referring mostly to the guy that was 20 minutes out of sync up there
<2> =)
<4> I donno, I just like having ntp set my clock
<4> it always made me amazed how close the clock was to the clock on television back when I had one of those devices
<1> MrStabby: ?
<0> huh
<0> go to that link
<0> https://registration.arlingtonadulted.org/CourseStatus.awp?~~07WPA120
<1> MrStabby: lol go to hell
<1> are you saying i'm a bully? :(
<0> no i think you'd benefit
<0> to keep from BEING bullied :)
<1> I didn't know i was being bullied
<1> cus i always give a piece of my mind :)
<1> and it's NASTY
<1> so yeah if someone tries to be a bastard with me i'm a bastard back
<9> ok any of you jews use the toolchain overlay?
<1> for the last time i'm not a jew damn.
<9> the gdb ebuild's digest has been failing on me for like 2 weeks, seems like this should have been caught by now..
<10> can anyone give me quick list of easy mythtv-centric distros? i know knoppmyth, are there others? i need something thatll install easy and run myth out of box
<10> this question goes out to all jews & non-jews
<1> I've never setup MythTV, I have a DVR :\
<10> its for a friend, i dont really wanna have to install gentoo for him but i suppose i could
<1> you could just remote admin it?
<1> after the mythtv part is setup
<1> hahaha
<1> this guys website is halarious
<1> <html>Nothing to be found here... go away</html>
<1> hehe
<11> is it also hilarious?
<1> bah
<1> hilarious halarious whatever
<1> hmmm
<1> it's not IIS
<1> i'm shocked
<1> redhat 2.0.40
<1> er
<1> redhat w/ apache 2.0.40
<1> any exploits for 2.0.40?
<1> i'm on 2.0.085
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