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<0> to be a successful entrepreneur, you dont need to find something new, you just need to find a way to do something better than everyone else
<0> you are looking for a need and a way to fulfill it
<0> most successful products arent revolutionary
<1> doesn't even have to be better.
<0> a pure software company might be a bit of a risk unless you are writing very specialized software
<0> but if you are selling a solution, theres often enough room for everyone
<0> a lot of people are out there in an attempt to dominate the market
<0> which is a bit misguided when even "getting by" often entails making more money than I could ever dream of
<0> there is too much emphasis on growth when it is not needed
<2> Specialty, custom-made software would be good for a startup?
<0> depending on what you do
<0> it would be a bad idea to say "lets start a company" and then pick random software applications to work on
<0> some sort of software applicable to civil engineering is an obvious idea
<0> you want to build on your current strengths, or even your interests
<2> I think that would be very interesting, to build civil engineering software
<0> there are a lot of interdisiplinary fields involving computers



<2> maybe something aquaculture related
<0> disciplinary even
<2> My family's company owns a complete set of Trimble GPS equipment for surveying
<0> so exactly what is aquaculture?
<0> something like hydroponics?
<2> Aquaculture is the art and science of culturing aquatic lifeforms and resources
<2> For example, in our first year, we raised hybrid striped b***
<0> hybrid?
<3> hybrid is another story but hybrids all look like dog****
<2> a cross between a white b*** and a striped b***
<0> ah
<0> Im not sure what kind of software would be useful there but Im sure theres something
<0> if there is a job that is tedious and requires manual work that could be avoided by automating the process, thats what you want to look for
<2> That was what I was thinking
<2> There's a lot of things that I want to do with my life
<0> good software takes time to write and so it is expensive
<2> I agree
<0> commercial applications are difficult to make money with because there is so much competition
<2> I know that I will need to hire programmers if I decide to start a software company
<0> but with specialty software, you can charge as much as you want and people will pay for it as long as it saves them money
<0> I have a friend who writes software for performing radar signature analysis
<2> I think that with my software company that I will someday create, I will probably do specialty software and I might hire programmers to help
<0> he charges about $8000 for licensing the software without source code, per processor used
<2> Wow
<0> and the closest competitor charges about $100000
<2> What degree do you think would be most useful for software: electrical engineering, computer engineering, or computer science?
<2> I am trying to decide that right now
<0> depends on the software you want to write
<2> What would be coherent with my entrepenurial goals?
<0> but I would say computer science and possibly computer engineering
<0> electrical engineering isnt going to get you a lot of computer knowlege
<0> maybe a cl*** involving ***embly language, but thats about it
<0> the rest is going to be power loss, transmission, etc
<2> Our EE and CPE programs are pretty closely tied in together
<2> There's a lot of overlap
<0> computer engineering will be similar but more related to computers
<0> less theory
<2> Our school offers a dual degree in electrical engineering and in computer engineering
<0> and it will be centered around computer design and fabrication, VLSI, etc
<2> What about software with CEGR?
<0> I cant speak for SIU's curriculum, but I would have to say that if you have an opportunity to go to UIUC, you should definitely try to come here
<0> but ECE here is extremely demanding
<2> I managed to earn a 3.6 ECE GPA
<2> while I was in school at SIU
<0> I had about a 3.2 in CS
<0> but the ECE workload is pretty hefty
<0> I took 21 credit hours my first semester that didnt count a 3 hour non-credit lab that went with Chem 100
<0> ECE was around 25 credit hours typical, not just freshman
<2> 25 credits/semester?
<0> yeah
<2> That's crazy
<0> its not easy :)
<2> I don't think even the ECE webpage at UIUC recommends that
<0> I wasnt too happy taking 21 (24) my first semester
<0> but I dont see how I would have graduated in four years if I didnt
<4> hmm
<0> and I still had to stay an extra semester because of one little cl*** scheduling problem that resulted in two credit hours that I needed to take
<4> what do u guys think which celebrity looks like Duke Nukem?
<0> ECE has a much higher number of credit hours to graduate than computer science
<2> Still, I think I could transfer a lot of credit from SIU to UIUC
<0> if they give you credit for your CE cl***es then it probably wouldnt be as bad



<2> Do you mean civil, or electrical/computer?
<0> civil
<0> there are three different CS degrees at UIUC
<0> CS/engineering
<0> CS/math
<0> and CS/liberal arts
<0> engineering is more engineering oriented
<0> math replaces a lot of the electives with math
<0> I dunno about LA and most of the students probably dropped out anyway :P
<2> I don't think I'd get ECE transfer credit
<2> if I decide to transfer from SIU to UIUC
<0> if you just want to write software, I dont think I'd recommend ECE
<0> especially because its going to focus on the hardware design aspect
<0> and design of processors to be specific
<2> Well, I do want to found my own electrical contracting company
<2> to complement my family's construction company, which I am likely to inherit
<0> sure, but you dont necessarily need the degree to do so :)
<2> I don't need an electrical degree to found that kind of company?
<5> nope, just won't get much business if you aren't a liscenced electrician :)
<2> Well, actually I was thinking more of engineering building electrical systems
<2> sort of what architectural engineers would do
<0> yuo only need the degree if you want to work there as a technical employee :)
<0> you'd be surprised at how little some company founders know
<0> at least related to the field
<0> as you said, you can always hire people to do the work for you
<6> Ultyma: sup?
<4> LOL
<4> I think if I start making a MOD for Duke Nukem Forever now on HL2 engine, I could probably finish it before 3DR finish theirs
<6> meh
<6> You could probably beat them if you took the time to make one in C
<4> lol
<4> took them 9 years to make 10 weapons, 20 enemy and 2 levels
<0> actually, the game is done
<0> for the last seven years they have been looking for a way to make duke nukem culturally relevant again
<4> right...
<7> lol
<4> hehe
<4> any MOD team can probably do this in 6 MONTHS
<6> _Riff_: Seven years to make it relevant and then it'll take six months to get the graphics up to speed ^_^
<0> I think they are busy porting it to the new brain**** engine 4
<6> heh
<7> :o
<6> Ultyma: Are you making a MMORPG with that program of yours?
<4> think Ultyma is making TeeVee 3D based engine
<7> its not a program
<7> for the 5000000th time
<7> ****heads
<7> care to see the thousands of lines of code that ive written?
<7> this isnt MMORPG MAKER 5.9
<7> ****ing idiots
<7> pisses me off
<6> By program I meant the code you had written :P
<4> haha
<6> oh well
<6> I wish this patch would hurry up - stupid slow modem
<8> !dcc send mmorpg_maker_5.9_RISC.rar
<9> :o
<10> I asked earlier.. but another round... If you could have any special power, what would it be?
<8> unlimited powers
<11> p0w0rz
<8> 'omnipotence'
<11> * moebius transforms into Bob
<8> heh
<4> Bob the builder?
<4> wait moe...give me a beeer!
<12> :)
<13> All
<13> Whats up?
<3> up is probably er
<6> I really wish this website had a download for it's opengl tutorial - having to copy and paste into OpenOffice isn't fun
<13> which tutorial?
<3> which tutorial are you reading?
<6> Lighthouse3D's GLSL tutorial
<13> ah


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