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<0> ive lost appreciation for a function
<1> DEPRECIATE HIM!
<2> has anyone ever typed @depreciated into some Java code and wondered why it doesn't work then?
<2> (or any other language with a similar feature)
<3> moebius: I'm actually ordering a mac tomorrow.... PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5Ghz
<1> nice
<1> er wait
<1> a g5?
<3> uhm... yes?
<1> guess ya dont wanna dualboot :D
<4> I *really* wouldn't buy a g5
<3> I'm going to use it for one thing, and one thing only... and that's for studio purposes... which means I have no use for dual boot
<1> ah
<3> besides... I need a stationary one
<1> is it animation relation?
<1> ...
<1> related
<3> mostly audio, but maybe some...
<1> cool
<3> and pro tools takes up recources like hell :P
<4> Still, its going to be a lot slower than if you got an intel based one
<3> Dr^Nick: as far as I'm concerned, you can only get intel based ones in macbook pro, right?
<4> for a few weeks.
<4> yes
<3> well... I need it yesterday :P
<4> :\
<4> Thats too bad.
<4> G5s are horribly underpowered.
<4> Imacs are considerably faster
<4> (which are intel)
<3> I'm also going to install 4gb ram, 150gb raptor disk, and an external 500gb firewire 800 disk
<4> We're getting rid of all of our g5's
<3> having 40 audio-files running at 24bit 96khz takes a crap load of hdd-speed
<4> the imacs are faster and cheaper
<4> yeah
<5> err
<5> why would the g5 be underpowered?
<4> because they were not designed well to begin with
<3> I'm having a hard time believing that dual 2ghz intel are faster then quad 2.5 powerpc
<6> http://knd.org.uk/files/loituma__.swf
<3> it only supports 2gb ram!?
<5> of course it depends on the job but for media things the g5 here beats the **** out of that dual core imac
<3> MeshMan: old, man...
<6> i know its old
<6> im reminding you all
<3> MeshMan: I have the full audio from that flash! and a remix... humm.. and a friend of mine have a live performance :P
<4> retro__ - We have 4 of each, and a lab full of mac-enthusiasts - and the g5's are on the way out.
<6> hah
<4> The Quad can probably still hold it's own against the iMac ...
<4> which is why they would've gone to quad
<3> faster or not, the G5 is MUCH better for my purposes in many ways...
<5> Dr^Nick: i have no problem with that, but I see a dual G5 outperforming those new core duos every day when it comes to postproduction
<4> Hrm. I find that hard to believe.
<5> we switch to pc's nonetheless
<5> Dr^Nick: what do you do with those G5s?
<4> Our imacs are beating the g5's speed wise
<4> Ai
<4> I work in a big Ai lab.
<3> sounds fun
<5> yeah of course
<5> if you do cpu benchmarks the core duos are faster when it comes to integer performance
<4> Where does ai = integer performance?
<5> it depends on the job in the end but for a start the amount of max ram limits apples intel machines
<5> because you tell me those intels are faster
<1> dr nick is working on the forearm for the terminator endoskeleton
<5> that means to me you do not use fp heavily
<4> Ahaha
<5> nice you laugh but let me get the benchmarks i did
<4> We have dedicated 64 processor clusters
<4> because the FP is intense
<5> of apple coure duos?
<4> no
<7> Dr^Nick: by ai u mean artificial intelligence?
<5> okay there was a misunderstanding then
<4> But what Im saying is that all thats done in the lab is FP.
<5> i was comparing apple PPC vs apple X86
<4> there's no way you can do anything useful with integer math
<4> Yep, so was I
<5> err
<4> I'm just saying - for reference - that fp performance is what matters
<4> and that integer performace doesn't help you with n-dimensional gradient descent
<5> you compared a 64cpu PPC cluster vs 64 core duos?
<4> no.
<4> I'm comparing a standard G5 vs a stanard Core Duo
<5> lemme find my benchmarks
<4> I wanted to expemplify that fp performance mattered
<4> That all said, although I work in an AI lab, I myself am not employeed to do Ai :D
<5> yeah but i fail to see how a coure dou can outperform a G5 when it comes to fp
<4> They run the sims faster
<4> thats enough for me.
<5> hehehehehe
<4> (the sims != the game the sims)
<4> I mean the ai simulations
<5> those don't leverage the g5 then
<4> They're all C++ code.
<4> No one in the lab would code specifically towards the g5
<4> or towards the intel
<5> it's the wrong libs then, lemme quote
<5> i was comparing a dual 1.8ghz g5 with a 2ghz core dou
<3> I never should have mentioned the g5.... :/
<4> Actually, I suppose the main perf. difference is in MatLab, since thats what most of the guys in the lab use
<5> vecLib FFT: 3.12 Gflop/sec (PPC), 1.43 Gflop/sec (X86)
<4> LaRssA - :D
<4> whats vecLib?
<5> as much as i hate apple for gamedev those g5's weren't bad
<5> it's a vectorlib by apple
<4> okay
<4> http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/manual/html_node/ <- this would be the closest thing to that I could see anyone around using
<8> tho, do they got SSE equivalents?
<5> G5 have altivec
<5> which you need to compile your libs for to use the cpus efficiently
<8> have ppl started making cool stuff with the 360 yet?
<3> I'm really looking forward to try the wii
<4> moozh - In what sense?
<8> Dr^Nick: hacking sense. Seems such a waste only using it for gaming
<4> Oh, nope.
<7> yeah.. u could do interactive pr0n movies with wee
<9> whip sims
<9> mm
<8> an online fleshlight game
<8> You know you want it
<10> :[
<8> chandler_: yep, guess we arent there yet
<1> ARE WE THERE YET?
<10> tease
<1> :D
<8> hehe
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