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<0> anyone have an extremely basic program that has animation/graphics?
<1> andre, what sort of graphics? that is a big can of worms
<0> I would like to make a basic game. I have back-end experience but as far as working the GUI I don't know where to start :(
<2> gametutorials
<0> is there one you know of I can look at?
<2> rephrase
<0> not sure I can rephrase it better
<2> you need to know how to make a window
<2> then you use BitBlt for put bitmaps on the screen
<0> I need to learn how to make a window and do some basic animation. That would be great! where do I start?
<2> on second
<2> one
<2> www.winprog.org/tutorial
<3> buhuhuhu winprog tutorial
<3> channel of anger
<3> <3 winproggery
<0> cool
<2> :)
<0> thx
<0> I apparently don't have windows.h, where can I get that?
<2> what compiler do you use?
<4> download visual studio
<4> the free one
<0> I am using MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition
<2> it has it
<4> it ought to be in there
<2> i use vc++6.0
<0> I used to have visual studio but since I moved, the computer that has it installed is in storage ;(
<2> g2g cya in ten minutes
<0> okay I found the free version of visual studio, its downloading now
<0> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ this is the link but it will only let me download specific languages not the general studio
<3> that's fine
<3> just download all of them
<0> download each one seperately?
<3> they're killing the free compiler offer at the end of the year (the existing deployments stay free but nobody else gets to play)
<3> yes
<0> all I need is windows.h though
<0> I think I should have installed the MS Software Development Kit
<5> windows.h needs some other stuff
<5> thus yes
<0> I really can't wait to build some apps using directx. its something I've always wanted to do
<5> =]
<6> Ghaleon u ever play this polarium game
<3> polarium is draw over this boolean grid in a single continuous line, inverting where you draw, to get all the rows each to a single color, right?
<6> yes
<5> I hab not, but I hear it's hawt
<6> I know I kept saying ds is ghey and all touch screen games r gimmick
<6> but this one is a really good use
<5> if you look at all the recent nintendo games, they don't use touch
<5> huhu
<3> yeah, like the most recent game they release
<3> super monkey ball touch and roll
<3> no touch there at all
<4> Lol
<6> yah Ghaleon what are you talking about
<5> isn't super monkey ball not a nintendo game
<6> true
<5> thus it does not fit to use as defense
<3> oh, you only mean first party games?
<5> StoneCydh takes 31337 amounts of damage
<3> then it's true swing golf, which also uses the touchscreen extensively
<4> search for mount and blade on google
<4> super cool
<3> before that, elektroplankton, which is /only/ touchscreen
<5> I heard those both ****
<3> before that, AC:WW
<3> before that, mario+luigi pit
<3> before that, mario kart, which doesn't use the touchscreen
<3> so yes, if you ignore their last 4 games
<3> you can get back to one that uses no touchscreen
<5> M&L2 doesn't use the touch screen at all except for one spot
<3> oh, then their last 3
<6> the game that doesnt use touch screen is the best game
<6> or gets a 9.0+ from ign
<5> those are generally the same category ;D
<3> the point is, of the 21 games Nintendo has released for the DS so far
<3> four don't use the touchscreen
<3> so
<3> and more than half of them use the touchscreen nearly exclusively
<5> castlevania practically doesn't use it
<6> yup they are the top 2 at ign (m&l, mkart)
<3> i'm counting castlevania
<3> basically the games which don't use the touchscreen are continuations of existing brands with existing game refinements and existing fan bases
<3> so of course they're getting rated higher
<6> I dont know about that
<3> that they don't use the touchscreen is coincidentally related due to their origin
<6> maybe because they just play better
<5> not just because they have better gameplay that isn't the same ol?
<3> actually it is the same old.
<5> like the second in that Feel The Magic series
<5> that got rated like a 0 for being the same ol game
<3> it's castlevania, mario kart, mario and luigi and pinball.
<5> or what about Whack-A-Mole
<3> how is that not the same old stuff.
<5> Mario & Luigi was quite different, although it is a continuation
<3> it's not a new style of gameplay
<5> it uses 4 buttons ;D
<5> that's 2x the hardkoreness
<5> although, if you look at the ratings... the people want the same old stuff, and not the touch screen wackoness
<3> look, you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that the system which allows elektroplankton, lumines, trauma center, kirby's dreamland, meteos, true swing golf, brain training and nintendogs is stagnating in interface design
<3> um.
<3> no.
<5> ;]
<3> the ratings are higher for brain training, trauma center, AC:WW and Elektroplankton than anything else.
<6> lumines?
<3> those are all touchscreen dependant.
<3> sorry, polarium
<5> huhu
<3> lumines is to polarium as puyo puyo is to dr robotnik's mean bean machine, or tetris attacks to pokemon puzzle league
<6> its good for interace ya
<3> same game, different brand
<6> what
<5> no
<5> I'm pretty sure they are really different
<6> I mean lumines is on psp and polarium uses touch screen
<5> whereas puyo puyo and dr robotnik's mean bean machine are the same
<3> oh? maybe i'm misremembering which game lumines is, then
<6> that should be convincing enough
<6> I think lumines is an original game
<5> yes
<5> Lumines and Polarium are completely different
<3> okay. there's a homebrew port of polarium which uses a name which is a play on the word "luminous." that's to what i was accidentally mis-referring.
<5> ;P
<6> ok.
<6> homebrew hoe
<3> anyway, the touchscreen just isn't as useless or underused as Ghaleon is painting it to be, and the stats do not reflect a preference for games which don't use it, if you actually look
<5> it does corrupt some genres tho
<5> like Bomberman
<5> http://www.eatliver.com/cat-helmet/
<5> huhu
<6> Ghaleon is going to make one now
<6> thats cute tho
<5> my kittah uses ninja armor
<6> mine uses solid snake camo
<7> any ideas for nice small arcade games?
<6> doom2
<3> windows
<7> nah really
<7> small ones
<7> chandler the one i used to know?
<7> nah not u or?
<7> i need small one
<6> probably not me
<7> like i have done already <not personally but my friends>
<6> tetris
<6> is the new thing these days
<7> tetris=we done alike game already
<3> moon patrol
<8> well, moon patrol is one of the best!
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