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<0> you've seen most of the mechanics in other games in a more mature form.
<1> no wonder i didn't get it, i was enmountenating molehills.
<1> thanks, that makes it quite less weird.
<0> which is why settlers takes that base and does it well.
<1> i was sitting there staring at these games like "wtf am i missing"
<1> when you say settlers
<1> do you mean catan
<0> and why all these ones listed you've never heard of unless you've grown up in a hobby shop
<0> yea.
<1> or the sid meier board/video/card games
<2> settlers of los angeles
<0> we are talking board games.
<1> well, the sid meier game "settlers" has both a board and card incarnation.
<0> if were talking vid games I'd be saying settlers differently ;)
<1> much like civilization does.
<0> oh god
<0> yea I remember that.
<1> actually, both board games are quite good.
<0> thought you ment settlers 1-4
<1> the card games are fairly meh.
<1> sid doesn't seem to be able to scale down to games smaller than 4 hours, huhu
<0> why is that a goal?
<1> smaller than four hours?
<1> for me it isn't
<1> but for card games in general
<0> ahh
<1> card games don't usually withstand very long play
<1> IMO
<0> lol unless there is money involved.
<1> i don't know of any card games that are tolerable much more than 45 minutes (unless you count card-extension games like knightmare chess)
<1> i don't know any gambling games where one round lasts tolerably that long either
<1> i'm explicitly not considering repeated rounds
<0> cribbage?
<1> uno is good all night, but it wouldn't be if each game took 2h
<1> cribbage is a card extension game
<1> there's a board
<0> kk
<1> or wait, is that just for score?
<0> its just for score really.
<1> (i don't know how to play cribbage, natch)
<0> cause you can do it in yer head too.
<1> how long does a single, non-repeated round of cribbage last? (poker by comparison is 2-5 minutes)
<0> till one person gets to the end of the holes, however many there are.
<1> which generally takes how long, ish?
<1> ***uming players aren't being buttheads and taking forever per move
<0> can be 10 mins, can be an hour if everything really ****s but thats extreme
<1> kay.
<1> so, general high end is around 30m?
<0> in general sure...
<1> gotcha.
<0> prolly less if people know how to count everything
<1> actually
<1> is that the longest single-round card game you can think of?
<1> the only candidate i can think of as competition is uno
<0> war.
<1> oh
<1> yeah, war tends towards center.
<0> yea, you can get "dumb" like uno or war..
<1> wow, i forgot about that game.
<1> hm.
<1> war's really popular among little kids, come to think of it.
<1> i wonder why.
<1> kneejerk response is to say it's because it's so simple, but other very simple games like Morris don't get enjoyed until later
<0> depends, card games these days have less impact on kids I think than they did...
<1> and little kids tend to love certain rare complex games, such as stratego, snakes and ladders and so on
<0> unless you involve money :)
<1> well
<1> that's because kids have nintendos now
<1> huhu
<0> shoots and ladders.
<1> nah, calling them chutes was a milton bradley thing
<0> hehe
<1> it's called snakes and ladders because it was a medieval game themed around heaven and hell - the ascent to god (ladders akin to jacob's) and the fall to lucifer (demons and snakes)
<0> and they've also stolen songs etc etc...
<1> the really old ones in monasteries have flames painted at one edge
<0> now they put strange little girls with their harem of pets on the covers. :P
<0> oh and the board games random element was either cards or dice for resources..
<1> yeah
<1> that's muckable
<1> drawn chits would work well, to control probability distributions
<1> especially if they were somehow pooled, like by region (the north chits, the south chits) or by usage (mountain chits, river chits, etc)
<3> :P
<1> what
<3> nite
<4> -karate chop-
<5> j e a h
<6> http://www.pa.uky.edu/~doyleb/midi/duke3d/GRABBAG.mid <-- How I used to love this song. I still do, of course, but it doesn't sound the same on a non-crappy sound card. Evil MIDI. :(
<7> mmmm midi
<8> i miss the adlib-style sounds
<6> Well... I had an AdLib card, but I thought it was just another MIDI card.
<6> Duke 3D, Doom etc. sounded very good on it.
<6> No SFX, though :(
<6> Somebody record an MP3 of it being played on an old box.
<7> man whats with the fascination of japanese bands using english phrases
<7> its like seeing the typical overweight fat nerd with a tattoo of japanese characters on his arm
<6> :S :)
<6> I hate "hip" Japanese people.
<6> I can't believe they are for real still.
<6> They're even worse than anime/manga loving western idiots.
<6> Am I the only one who have 20 planned projects, but can't get anything done because you feel like you need to finish the main one before you continue?
<6> s/have/has/?
<9> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55919
<9> <9> thanks mono!
<9> http://www.microsoft.com/malwareremove
<6> That company is all about bull****.
<1> do you ever just stop insulting things to feel smart, kimmie?
<1> does it occur to you that your endless tirade of "wah wah wah i'm better than everyone" gets tiresome?
<6> You are?
<6> I don't see what that has got to do with me.
<1> that's because like usual you can't read
<1> go ask someone to read that to you
<6> I insult MS as much as I want.
<1> well
<6> Go care about something better than me ranting.
<1> when and if you're done missing the point
<1> let someone know
<10> roflsauces
<10> SLZ
<10> I made sharko crash my video card
<11> LOl
<11> if uytyma is haveing sharkop crash his card
<11> i cringe to think what his mmo rendered is going to do
<11> like 1 frame per year
<12> anyone alive?
<1> no.
<1> are you the same person from #freenode asking the same question in two channels and getting the same answer in each there already?
<1> because you'll get it here too
<6> Freenode has two gamedev channels?
<6> Surely, seeing how much you like me, you wouldn't mind telling me which ones, right, StoneCybh?
<1> surely.
<1> i believe depeche mode said it best: enjoy the silence.
<6> Dunno what you just said.
<1> as usual.
<12> StoneCybh: you a dm fan?
<1> mess: once upon a time, less so these days
<1> but yes, i even used to listen to ned's atomic dustbin.
<12> StoneCybh: ahh, they have been my favourt group since i was about 10
<1> mess: well, i listened to them too much; i kinda burnt out on them
<1> you know how that goes
<12> yep
<1> but, in the interests of TMI, I lost my virginity to Blue Dress (or maybe it's called Put It On, I forget)
<1> so there was a time, yes
<12> yeah, blue dress
<12> hmmm, i cant remember the first one i heard, was too long ago, might have been blue dress also actually lol
<1> first i heard was in my room
<1> i think
<1> it's been a _long_ time
<12> or it might have been black celebration
<6> Link to song made by them?
<12> one of those, from my sisters tape, she got me into them
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