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<Scottc> "they wouldn't work for free"
<_nx> Narris, is that somehow atypical?
<Scottc> Learn C++
<Scottc> make your game
<_nx> ChaosMage, you know, a handful of us are professional game developers. We're also the people unlikely to be interested in a garage game.
<Scottc> _nx: sometimes your a bit elitist :\
<Scottc> you're even.
<ChaosMage> professional game developers... you already work for someone
<Scottc> there are people who aren't professional though who are still very experienced and free
<Scottc> there are people who are plenty capable but they don't want to do something for someone who did barely anything
<Hhhhh> ChaosMage, one thing: ALWAYS start small
<Hhhhh> don't get excited and expect a huge project going on at once
<ChaosMage> Why
<ChaosMage> I'm not a coder
<ChaosMage> I don't need to start small
<Hhhhh> well, if you're not even gonna code, the more



<Hhhhh> are you gonna pay someone to code for you?
<ChaosMage> Designing games is just a hobby for me
<ChaosMage> I just design them for fun
<_nx> Scottc, yes, I'm a complete ****. Don't take that to mean that I don't have any respect for anyone else, though.
<Hhhhh> well, designing doesn't accomplish much
<Scottc> You can't just say "I'm looking for a coder, its an mmorpg, needs to be like runescape and wow"
<Hhhhh> Scottc, rofl
<Hhhhh> hahaha
<Hhhhh> awesome
<Scottc> Designing is important
<ChaosMage> god
<Scottc> _nx: what company you work for?
<Hhhhh> yea, but what's the point of designing if nobody will implement it?
<_nx> Scottc, currently Microsoft.
<Hhhhh> anyways, ChaosMage, the big iffy part of gamedev is not the programming
<prym> design is like jerking off you can justify its value but not for long
<Hhhhh> but getting enough artists to help
<Hhhhh> prym, that was deep
<Narris> its not the design either... its not the artists, its getting it all to come together in the day to day.
<Scottc> so you don't make games, _nx?
<prym> i drop bombs yall
<_nx> hmm? I do make games
<Hhhhh> Microsoft makes games
<Scottc> Microsoft makes games?
<_nx> SURPRISE
<Hhhhh> yes, they make Minesweeper, Internet Backgamon, etc
<Hhhhh> j/k :)
<Scottc> lol
<Scottc> hahaha
<Hhhhh> no, they do have a big game development studio in Salt Lake City
<Hhhhh> and some more stuff in Redmond
<Scottc> for minesweeper?
<_nx> actually, SLC was sold the other year
<Hhhhh> lol
<Hhhhh> was it?
<Scottc> I liked freelancer
<_nx> SLC did Amped and used to do lynx golf way back when
<Scottc> So I take it you use Direct3d, _nx?
<Scottc> and wow I loved Amped
<_nx> I'm not much of a graphics guy. I have and can do D3D, but only when pressed.
<Hhhhh> _nx, ChaosMage wants to press you
<Scottc> What games have you worked on?
<Scottc> If you can tell us that anyway
<_nx> I did Forza the other year. I had smaller roles in a bunch of games before that, such as Halo PC and Train Simulator and Casino and a few others.
<prym> ill do u guys 1 better ill let u PLAY my game
<prym> i worked on GTA3
<prym> did most the cooler parts of it
<Scottc> I know a guy at Santa Cruz Games.....
<_nx> =)
<prym> the finishing touches on jiggle skids
<prym> the way cops heads explode
<prym> im a detailist designer/coder
<Scottc> hm
<ChaosMage> pyrm: so you did the gta headshots?
<prym> yup
<Scottc> hmm....
<Scottc> any OpenGL gurus alive yet?
<ChaosMage> I liked the headshots in GTA:SA I don't remember GTA3
<prym> oh there good its based on same code tho i wasnt there for that
<prym> i knew when that cops head exploded people had to really feel it to be satisfied



<prym> so i spent a lot longer that was appropriate (in some peoples eyes) perfecting it
<ChaosMage> really it was a bit over the top
<ChaosMage> considering nothing else exploded like that :p
<KimmoA> prym: So... you've switched to Opera now, right?
<prym> yeah im using it
<prym> if it ****s with me tho i might drop it
<prym> irt just was all imn not the defuault abalblablala i []DONOT show this again it
<_nx> prym is infected with a mind virus. Quick, run!
<ChaosMage> viruses generally aren't transmitted airborn
<_nx> What, except for the cold and the flu?
<_nx> "The cold" can be caused by a few thousand different virus types.
<ChaosMage> they're transmitted in saliva!
<ChaosMage> you have to get sneezed on
<_nx> That's really not true
<ChaosMage> or come in contact with something that got sneezed on
<ChaosMage> you can't prove a thing!
<J-Rod> hmmm, let me check out this Breeze
<BlackFrog> i like the minimal skins, breeze simplified micro with 80% icon size for opera works for meh :)
<Scottc> where have all the GL gurus gone?
<_nx> DirectX ate them.
<KimmoA> Sigh. USA has their own "A4" paper size standard too?
<LaRssA> if A4 isn't ISO, I'm gonna be sick
<KimmoA> "US letter" is apparently their answer to A4...
<LaRssA> I believe it's iso though... 210*297mm
<swx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4_paper_size
<_nx> The USA has no need for foreign standards!!!
<LaRssA> of course.. but americans are sooo nationalistic..
<StoneCyqh> <LaRssA> What do you mean, national racism?
<ChaosMage> No we're not! glory to the american race
<LaRssA> yes you are...
<LaRssA> believe me, I have nothing against americans...
<KimmoA> These ****ing sockets have me confused to the maximum.
<ChaosMage> omg you're a terrorist!
<LaRssA> nope, spent five weeks in the us this summer, and didn't blow up anything
<KimmoA> Wish I could afford to go there.
<ChaosMage> you were doing social terrorism :p
<KimmoA> I could stay for free at StoneCyqh's place.
<LaRssA> indeed ;)
<_nx> LaRssA, I know, it's painfully obvious to most of us.
<_nx> Some of us even comprehend that patriotism isn't always a good thing.
<KimmoA> Country fanboys?
<_nx> country and suburban
<_nx> and young
<KimmoA> "USA can display five billion polygons a nanosecond! Beat that, Holland!"
<_nx> all three of those groups are very patriotic
<_nx> the rural and the young don't know any better, I'm not sure what the suburban use for an excuse.
<ChaosMage> the suburban have got it made why do they want the status quo to change
<_nx> Well, they live the way they want to, but that's just as true for everyone else.
<KimmoA> I don't live the way I want to.
<_nx> Maybe they all have children, that can really mess up your brain.
<KimmoA> Kids suck indeed.
<J-Rod> kids are cool
<KimmoA> At least babies.
<J-Rod> I just wish mine would go in the potty
<J-Rod> he held it for as long as he could the other day, until it hurt
<KimmoA> Wouldn't mind having a 14 year old daughter as my personal *** toy/slave.
<J-Rod> now he equates going potty with pain
<J-Rod> :)
<KimmoA> ... :)
<_nx> KimmoA, you evil person.
<KimmoA> ^_^
<_nx> I'm sure that a lot of people would throw you in jail for saying that.
<ChaosMage> I'm going to kill you for thinking it :p
<moebius-> wtf lol
<moebius-> & kimmoa calls me a troll
<J-Rod> you mean banging your daughter is somehow wrong?
<moebius-> it means you are one sick ****
<_nx> see?
<moebius-> is molestation/incest commonly practiced in your neck of woods kimmoa? inbreeding would explain your astounding stupidity
<Hhhhh> moebius-, KimmoA was born 9 montths after Mardigras
<Hhhhh> father unkown
<Hhhhh> that explains his view of life
<ChaosMage> I got 1 gb stick of ram


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