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<0> :-)
<1> http://nibelune.org/mask.fla
<0> wow
<0> thanks alot genius.
<2> nib you ever used flex?
<1> i did, but not much
<0> but would it be possible if they were diffrent shapes?
<2> you know if flex stuff can load code from actionscript file?
<2> without compiling
<2> hmmmm like include in php or import in java
<3> Flex compiles on the fly iirc?
<0> NiB: its impossible with two diffrent shapes
<4> hey guys - i just found a cool tutorial for me to learn how to make text shatter in after effects. how hard is it to make that shattering end up into a pile at the bottom?
<2> dont know just asking
<3> is there an end goal you are looking for?
<2> im just looking for an solution to execute code outside swf using something like include but looks like its not possible
<2> or a way to load code and execute it
<3> yeah well actionscript has to be compiled to execute in the player
<3> but you can late bind and dynamically link
<2> but maybe its possible with flex
<3> well flex can compile it on the fly and send it back to the current swf as another swf
<3> but for free, so can mtasc
<2> ah ok
<3> flex is $$$$
<4> doesn't flex require some sort of installation stuff on the server?
<2> yep
<4> that ****s :/
<2> thats the bad thing
<2> yep
<3> its a server technology
<3> it only makes sense
<2> you know if flash supports cmd?
<2> batch compiling
<3> yeah
<3> theres jsfl's for it
<3> I use Ant and Mtasc myself
<2> ahh cool
<2> with flash 8 support?
<3> naturally
<2> nice
<3> note, Mtasc is very strict
<3> you may need to turn off its strict mode to begin with
<3> osflash.org for all this kinda stuff
<2> ohhkay
<2> will check it out
<3> also take a look at flashdevelop, i like it a lot
<3> http://wetgeek.blogspot.com/ as i mention in my first blog about it
<2> macromedia should add some kind of plain code support to flashplayer
<2> execute on the fly
<3> Why so?
<2> its a nice feature
<3> seems like the kind of player bloat I wouldnt justify
<5> YAY FOR BLOAT
<5> later
<2> code actionscript as acsii
<3> Smurf is all about the bloat.
<2> bind that file into html and load html
<2> that would be really cool
<3> No see.. you just asked for a jit compiler in the worlds tidiest, smallest VM
<3> go use java
<3> :P
<3> ad enjoy the size of the VM download
<2> sure but then you need to install tomcat
<3> and*
<2> and etc.
<3> this is my point, theres heaps of 'great features' flash could have
<2> not everyone have the right to do this
<3> but if you poured them in, how big would the player become?
<2> i dont think the player would become really bigger
<3> it really would
<2> see java
<2> 12.15 mb
<2> and everyone have it installed
<3> no they dont
<3> and no install is just 12 meg.
<3> i mean you want it to look good, you're gunna need swing, awt or swt
<2> yep but such extension are not enabled by default :/
<3> Java doesnt have the penetration flash does.
<3> so just think about it, compile AS in the player would be of limited use, but require a compiler to be built into the player
<3> theres no justification
<3> I gotta go help my SuperGroup :) bbiab
<2> :)
<3> ahh crap patches
<2> such extension are just 2.5 mbs too
<2> i think including a compiler into the player would take 3-5 more mb thats ok
<3> no its not ok
<2> for todays bandwidth
<3> because maybe 1% of the devs would even bother with it
<3> and theyd much rather better 3d for that kind of bloat
<3> wouldnt other with it because i am rarely without a server to drop that kind of requirement on, if i ever had that requirement
<2> hmm
<3> the flash 8 player download is still < 1 meg
<2> yep i know
<3> and i doubt you understand 'todays' bandwidth. here in NZ for instance (1st world country) most people are still on dial up or 256k
<2> NZ?
<3> theres much faster bandwidth around, but your mom and pop dont care much. but they'll be sold on flash based advertising.. more so than some guy on a 2mbit connection
<3> New Zealand
<2> here in germany most people have adsl
<2> so cheap nowadays
<3> i don't wanna see flash grow like a collossi. it just doesnt need to, and your feature wish is way down on the 'useful' list
<2> hmm i dont think so
<3> The new regex and XML dom in 8.5 are far more useful
<3> i do. Who's going to use it for what?
<3> why not just compile what you need, cache it at the server and use late binding?
<2> like svg
<2> thats what i need
<6> i've learned the basics of flash animation at college, i wanna learn about scripting etc, has anyone got links to a good site for a relevant tutorial, all the ones i seem to find are extremely basic
<3> you need to serialise graphics?
<3> Type0nega the very best you can do is get Colin Mooks books
<2> ah but in svg you can easy code in plain ascii thats good
<3> Essential Actionscript 2.0 is great
<3> why is it good?
<2> and i think adobe will include it in future flash versions
<2> you will see
<2> more dynamic
<3> do you change the code at run time that often?
<3> dude I honestly dont think you know what you're talking about.
<2> depends of what you do
<2> ok lets stop here
<2> does not worth the talk!
<2> its useless
<3> indeed
<3> :P
<2> ms is going that way too
<2> with their xaml
<3> Xaml s a serialisation language
<2> but we will see the future
<3> flash has a similar language. its called mxml
<3> (flex i should say)
<2> with flex
<2> yep but for flex you need it working on server side or not?
<3> And it helps with customisation, the client still does not need to parse code.
<7> is there a way to make Scene 1 a movie clip....like keep the layers and everything?
<3> Sure. but heres an example, i write reusable, customisable front end for a GPS tracking application. I worte my own serialisation of the components in 2 weeks. I don't need a compiler, and even without 8.5s new uber fast dom, its very very fast
<2> but using that mxml you can code everything you want? or are you forced to use macromedias components?
<3> By configuration, i can add a 'view' to my customisation XML, the view loads from a swf, including code. The base code never knew about the new component, and yet the new component works and integrates
<3> I have no idea, i wouldnt spend the money on flex
<2> yep that ****s too
<3> well mroe to the point, i saved my company from spending the money on flex
<2> too expensive and need server side stuff too i think
<3> i just wrote a quick effective serialiastion for the application
<3> flex is entirely server side
<2> that totaly ****s
<3> why? flex is designed for web applications.
<2> xaml is client side
<2> works too
<3> xaml relies on .NET
<2> svg is client side too
<3> .NET is a huge install
<2> xul is cleint side
<3> the reason theres so many ways of doing things is there is so many targets
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