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<0> that's what im doing :)
<0> darn b0rt
<1> FatherHam cause it's a confusing layout?
<2> it is going to be confusing no matter what. it is because you dont understand it. there is nothing to compare it to.
<2> whereas with something else, it is easy to figure it out since most all email apps are identical, all forums are the same basically, etc
<1> FatherHam just because it's new it doesn't have to be confusing
<2> yes it does
<1> FatherHam counterintuitive != smart and/or clever
<2> intuitive is based purely on past experience. nothing is intuitive to a baby. you learn by things being the same. all apps use file.... new/open, etc.... that is the only reason why it is intuitive.
<3> sorry everyone :)
<0> no worries smily ;)
<0> we've all done that on one occasion or another
<3> firefox has crappy error messages apparently
<1> FatherHam you should be able to navigate the site without needing directions
<0> FatherHam, smurf's right, intuition has nothing to do with directions -- that's the definition of it -- you should just know how to get around by being there
<2> Smurf: no, that is only true if it is something you know, and can relate with. you cant drive a car with no directions because it is not natural, and you must learn. you cannot ride a bike without directions, etc
<0> hence, the root of the word intuitive
<3> FatherHam tell that to millions of net users
<3> :p
<0> far be it from us though to suggest how to make your **** better...by all means go with that crap if YOU know how to use it, cuz no one else will
<1> FatherHam for god sakes listen to reason for once, it's a good idea, i like the idea, but how you have it laid out it's hard to communicate a thought 'network' period
<3> yes and the server is not found
<3> lol
<0> lol
<2> i dont understand smurf
<0> i found the server, and it opened up my eyes i found the server </ace of base>
<0> fatherham, we're telling you the controls blow.
<0> the idea, cool
<3> lol
<0> control -- ****
<3> what now
<3> do they blow or ****?
<1> FatherHam how you're trying to convey your idea isn't good
<0> blowing/****ing is the same thing
<1> no
<0> in reality, there's no ****ing there's only blowing
<3> no it isn't
<2> yes, it was work inventing the backend, and proving it works. now i have proved it, and need to make a nice GUI. that is why i am asking. i dont know if i should go pure HTML, pure Javascript/html, XUL, flash
<3> why?
<0> or was it only ****ing and now blowing? something like that
<0> damn science cl***
<3> its relative
<0> cuz you're lowering the pressure in one area, and increasing it in aother to cause the appearance of ****ing and/or blowing
<3> SmilyOrg> its relative
<3> :P
<1> FatherHam flash would probably work best to visualize relationships between objects, which is key IMO for your idea to work how you want it to
<0> THERE IS NO RELATIVITY, IT'S ALL A SHAM, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!
<3> beh
<1> MICROCHIPS!
<3> if big brother was watching i would have a brand new comp now with all of my old stuff plus a few petabytes of disk space
<2> Smurf: ya but the problem is that i need html to view the data in the objects. so it would need some kind of splitframe, with flash for navigating, and then the window where you view what you open
<1> FatherHam why would you need a splitframe everything could be displayed in flash
<2> no, it cant. i am using html, css, etc.
<1> why do you need advanced HTML and css to convey, share, and collaborate on ideas
<2> pure flash is terrible for content. i cant for instance, hit ctrl+ and make fonts bigger.
<2> the content is html. if you have ideas for the gui im listening
<4> youcould script it though!
<1> yeah, you could
<2> ive been down that road al_x, i used to make pure flash sites. i am not going back
<4> :D
<4> i do whatever the client wants
<4> basically
<4> i'm a webwhore
<5> is there any other way to pause the timeline for x amount of seconds besides setInterval?
<2> OnoSendi: ya, but they arent very nice
<1> FatherHam i don't see how you're going to be able to adiquately show the relation between objects without some use of flash, although i don't know about a split screen style deal personally
<1> people want to be able to quickly and easily traverse the tree without getting lost
<2> Smurf: we've been using text for navigation for many years, why cant it show relations? i can navigate within a complex dir structure using commands in a terminal
<2> the tree really isnt important... search will be more important
<2> the tree will become real complex, and navigating it will be incredible
<1> because your mind has been fashioned to work like that because of your usage of computers, not everyone thinks like that
<4> hah
<4> i think that
<4> deserves this
<2> Smurf: this is for a business. we should all be intelligent.
<0> fatherham, the only people that think in terms of terminal access are geeks like us
<4> http://www.labnorth.com/alex/dvowned.jpg
<0> the common person won't know wtf to do with your site
<2> SupaShaD: ya, it is for us
<1> FatherHam not all business men are that techincally savvy let alone intelligent :/
<0> and smurf has a point
<0> business people these days...not too intelligent
<4> i agree with smurf
<1> they want a pretty tree they can traverse that looks good
<2> ok then give me your idea. just remember that the html needs to be displayed outside of flash.
<1> they need to use those 2.4ghz p4's in their computers for something!
<1> FatherHam a tree that only shows the outer most branches and as you select 'leaves' on those branches the brances from that leaf become apparent, and so on
<2> http://der-mo.net/WINDS/
<6> http://www.toonedin.com/cheney.html
<1> also, when they post their location is 'bookmarked' untill they post so they can go back up the tree and reevaluate other's ideas/comments and then jump back to their post
<1> FatherHam yes, kinda like that
<2> it should branch though, so you can see where youve been
<2> and can scroll over to go back
<1> yup
<1> that's what i'm sayin :)
<1> anyway TV time
<1> and then girl friend is commin over
<1> lata
<2> bye
<2> The thing is, with this UI, I was trying to make it backwards compatible... so it could work in any browser, even a text browser
<4> http://www.sandiegomuaythai.com/images/KO.MPG
<4> yikes
<3> if you follow the rules of semantics and css every page is viewable in a text browser without any further strain
<3> :p
<2> i mean, i dont require flash, or javascript, etc.
<2> to make something fancy, it would require flash8 or javascript, or firefox
<2> etc
<7> hey
<7> !seen Da_Saint
<8> movAX13h, Da_SAiNt (~asdasd@62.90.10.147) was last seen quitting #flash 1 day 2 hours 3 minutes ago (23.02. 10:32) stating "Client Quit" after spending 7 hours 47 minutes there.
<3> hey movax
<7> hi my friend
<9> Any one seen this http://www.flashloaded.com/flashcomponents/fcms/ :}
<9> Nice
<2> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/flickrgraph/flickrgraph.cfm?q=caterina
<2> visualization doesnt make things easier to me. seems more confusing
<9> wow
<9> this is nice
<2> nice??
<2> i think its crummy
<10> !find rules
<2> !fine anarchy
<10> any flash specialists here know how to implement a site with the youtube technology?
<11> zawha?
<2> yes
<12> mc.onPress = function() { myBitmapData.scroll(1, 0); } How do I get it to keep scrolling? like can I do a while (onPress = true) { scroll.. } kind of thing?
<11> I don't think so
<11> because it will not update
<11> it will scroll, you just won't see it until you let go
<13> pah
<13> i have to restart again.... :(
<13> so.
<14> ugh --;
<14> damn flash
<13> :)
<13> i'm with you MerZikain
<13> damn you, you ****ing flash!
<14> just having some ****in timing issues
<14> and flash, due to it's weird *** order of operation, is being a ****ing bitch
<2> people still use flash?
<2> why
<14> just to frustrate you
<2> why would that frustrate me
<14> because i said so
<7> because its written in your face.
<2> ok
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