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<0> launchin that healthcare cbt monday ... yay .. finally :P
<1> yay
<0> probably gunna make a mess of something...
<0> hah
<1> hopefully :P
<0> its not hourly - hopefully not
<0> :)
<0> well - thats enuf fiddlin... back to bowl'n
<0> :D
<0> heheh
<1> weeeuuuw
<2> does anybody develop webpages for a living? or freelance?
<1> i does
<0> i'm a hobbiest
<0> i dont actually do anything which is why i rarely have any questions
<0> :>
<2> how much do you charge for the average site, i'm a hobbiest by the way
<2> lol
<0> 1 MILLION DOLLARS
<1> hehe
<1> an average site is worth a few g's
<0> depends on what your average is
<0> at what level would you consider your 'average' to be?
<0> heh
<0> ask 10 people what an average website is
<0> you'll get at least 5 different answers
<1> thats' true
<0> wut you do is get rfp, work out details before you even start anything else, quote price for dev, get price and details signed off/approved.... then worry about cost
<0> although, at that point, futile to worry - you're bound
<0> :)
<2> haha
<2> my friend made a website for a church, and it was like a **** website, and they payed him 1000 dollars
<0> hopefully not directly out of the donations basket
<0> heh
<0> that would just seem 'wrong'
<0> :P
<2> lol
<2> I was just wondering, I am all about good deals, so I would only charge by the hour, I think that people paying 1000's of dollars for a website is rediculous, I mean you can make a "decent" website in a few hours
<0> thats usually said by people with little experience - no offense
<1> zanegun: no you can't, you can make a horrible site in a few hours
<3> Zane, charge what you think your worth. Don't try to match/beat other peoples prices
<1> you can make an average site in a few days
<0> clouder - not what you think you're worth... heh
<4> evening
<2> yeah, I'm not really worried about it, because I'm not going to be selling any websites soon, but I was just wondering what you though
<2> I am acctually considering going to school for web design
<0> thats a good waste of time, but some people require the discipline to get things learnt
<0> so not all bad
<0> depends what as well
<0> no sense learning less in a year than you could on your own in a month
<0> and being out the money for it as well
<0> heh
<3> A well known mechanics shop will do a job on your car because that's the hourly wage. Your going to do that you think should be done. So charge for the work you're going to do
<0> right, experience reflects quote - quote reflects experience
<0> if you have no experience, you have no quote since you have no idea how long something may really take
<0> like mechanics shop - they use 'the master book' to figure time to take to do a job - per hour... even if it takes less or more
<3> Yeah, the first time you do anything will be the longest
<3> cept for ***
<3> :D
<0> lol
<2> lol
<2> well I don't know, I am taking a year off to be a ski bum before I go to school
<2> so maybe in that year I'll do some freelance work or something
<2> I guess it is time to start thinking about what to do with my future
<0> you have no future untill you do
<3> Well in that case I feel you could charge less because your bumming just looking for some party money for the time off
<3> You see, I personally hate fixing peoples computers, so for reformatting it's 100 bucks minimum. Even at that I still get people who want their comp reformatte
<3> d
<0> well, hence the '1000' price ... pocket change - but site will reflect 'pocket change' as well.... however, the plus side is - there's 100's of 1000's of businesses out there that simply just want a 'pocket change' website
<2> people pay 100 dollars to format their computer....
<2> I should do that
<0> although you'd be smarter to whip up some standard stuff for common tasks with websites/interaction/whatever.... and be able to just drag'n'drop pieces into your documents
<3> fk yeah
<0> then you can cut you're time 10fold
<0> but still charge same price
<0> :)
<2> yeah
<3> Are you doing it as an excuse to learn or to make money?
<0> i site that takes 2k to develope is worth? .... 2k.... why ever sell it for less? even if you only have to change 5 things... lucky you
<0> i*a
<2> I should charge 100 dollars when i format peoples computers
<3> Yeah you should
<3> It takes long enough
<0> avg price is around $300
<2> haha, all you do is sit there
<2> really, to get your comp formatted is 300?
<3> But that's time you could be doing something else
<2> why not just buy a new one for 400?
<0> because you need the **** from your old one
<0> unless you're just talkin 'wipe clean' ...
<3> That's too much (in the eyes of the consumer)
<2> haha, yeah but if your formatting then you lose it
<0> then ya, $100 to sit on *** is fair
<0> um
<2> haha
<0> well, you lose information if you just 'format it' ya
<0> you dont lose information if you plan to have any sort of business refreshing/setting computers
<2> I just feel bad ripping people off, I would like to think everyone is fair, but I guess that would just be stupid, i mean look at oil companys
<0> so dont rip people off
<3> I'll load avg, ms antispyweare and the works for 50 but i'm not going to sit there for 3 hrs on an 800mhz cpu to clean it
<0> but just because you dont know what something is worth...
<0> doesnt mean you are ripping someone off
<2> I should just start living the american dream and rip people off
<0> it just means you're ignorant on the subject
<0> and are happy with 'x'
<0> ignorant is not meant offensively btw... so please dont take it as such
<0> i simply mean uninformed
<2> I didn't
<2> haha
<0> just to clarify
<0> :)
<0> well, irc - some people go ballistic if you say such things
<0> heh
<3> Ignorant has a bad meaning for me only because of High School lol
<3> but yeah I get you ;D
<0> heh
<3> Ignorant people use "ignorant" in hs
<3> overuse
<0> eh, its the people, not the age
<0> :)
<2> "thats ignorant" - Michael Jackson
<3> lol
<0> some people are just that way, they'll never change
<0> heh
<3> yeah
<0> usually the ones that will end up with ****ty lives anyways so who cares
<0> hehehe - touche ****er!
<0> =P
<0> laugh at me now - see if i give you that penny you beg for later
<0> ;P
<3> Heh, you've known the type as well I see ;D
<0> seen all types
<0> hell, been a couple of'm myself heh
<0> :)
<2> how old are you guys? I'm still in grammar school
<0> i barely remember
<0> 32 or 33.... somewhere in there
<0> heh
<1> grammar school? jeez
<3> 22 HS grad nothing else at this point
<3> Aspiring Web Developer I guess :D
<0> then $1000 for a 'basic' site from ya would by you all the pepsi and chips you'd need for awhile
<0> get on it :))
<0> hehe
<0> nice ski trip too
<3> 1000 bucks would keep me boozed up for a while :D
<2> lol, yeah
<0> i was lookin at taking a cruise down panama canal and such, but i think i'll just hit a beach somewhere mexi or maui maybe.... i gotta get outa here though
<0> been locked up for too long without vacation :/
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