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<0> nickfury maybe you should pursue a career where you could generate some kind of change?
<1> every year.. it get's worse.. "PEople, stop using energy as much"
<0> you'd prolly be a lot happier
<1> Smurf i do.. i go to public debates on this stuff
<1> in teh city
<1> we talk about trends in energy
<1> in a forum based situation
<0> i'm talking about doing something other than tooting some horn
<1> the only way people can understand these things, is .. by talking about it
<1> we can't leave it up to the government
<1> or comapnies
<1> we have to become self aware
<0> they're the ones that produce the products you _need_ to use each day
<1> Smurf ya well u also need 7 years university for that
<0> that _can_ make a difference
<1> and i'm a stoner with a guitar
<1> so.. what would u like?
<1> u don't need to be top level to make a difference
<1> thats' where u've gotten a little misguided.
<1> all it takes it public awareness
<1> a constant reminder.
<0> for you to shut the hell up and quit your bitchin untill you actually develop some technology or something to change how things are and will be
<1> it's basic human psychology
<1> man.. wtf
<1> why are you getting all negative
<1> bitching?
<1> like .. smurf. GIVE a **** about your world
<0> talking won't do anything if the companies you purchase products from don't first
<1> u live on it
<1> Smurf companies FOLLOW social trends
<1> HELLO!
<1> it's how they make money
<1> if people see a niche in some industry, they ..... TAP it
<0> they trigger social trends
<1> companies don't run the world
<1> people run the world
<1> remember that
<1> what is a cmopany but a set of people with a common goal
<1> what is a trend but a set of people with a common goal
<1> what is change but a SET OF PEOPLE WITH A COMMON GOAL
<1> are we seeing a pattern here?
<2> <1> if people see a niche in some industry, they ..... TAP it <-- that ***? :D
<0> for change to be facilitated it needs to happen from the top up, especially in this kind of situation
<2> heh
<1> don't suggest that if i don't Climb the Corporate ladder to make change, that it's impossible to change anything ?
<1> like. come on
<1> that's ridiculous
<1> u might as well just die today
<3> I win
<1> Smurf see.. with that mindset, you'll NEVER care about anything
<1> because you'll ALWAYUS think it's NOT up to you
<1> it's up to the companies
<1> which is.. so irresponsible
<1> i must say.
<0> in this situation i think it is
<1> ...bah.
<1> then ur lost
<3> change at the top only happens with perserverence from a person on the bottom
<1> u might as well stick a banner ion your head
<1> thay says "DEADHEAD CONSUMER"
<1> because.. taht's all your suggesting
<1> frb... EXACTLY.
<1> for example
<1> a few friends and i
<0> nickfury i'm not saying that other things can't be changed via the consumer, but companies have to take the initiative first to reach the _m***_ public, the 'average' consumer, the lady at the greasy spoon, the car salesman at the toyota dealership down the road
<1> have been stenciling around the city
<1> one image
<1> over and over.
<3> you really thing Bill Gates told the IE7 hackers personally "Put tabs in"
<1> it's an image of Gandhi
<1> and says "Good Soul" beside it
<0> people see it and think "blah, graffiti"
<1> i just picked up a "DOSE" magazine
<1> and there was a small article
<1> suggesting what its' about
<3> Smurf, not really
<1> i'm TELLING you right now smurf
<1> they WROTE about it
<3> people see something like that and think
<1> our friends and i ... are trying to create an image that reflects PEACE
<1> and it's ****ing working
<3> it's not just some punk gang members stylized lettering saying BIZATCH
<1> exactly frb
<1> that's EXACTLY what it'sc ausing
<3> Andre The Giant has a Posse
<0> nickfury i'm SAYING things WITH varying LEVELS of IMPORTANCE
<1> so we're continuing to stencil this positive image
<3> made people laugh
<3> it's always the bottom that makes change
<1> Smurf i'm sorry but your very wrong on this respect.. i think u think the world is a place that u have no ***oiscation with
<1> frb its' exactly the truth my brother.
<3> roots grow larger and stronger to support the tree
<1> perfect analogy.
<0> in cultural situations the bottom mkaes change but not in a consumer based economy like this
<3> especially in a capatilist economy
<1> Smurf man .. come on .. ur confusing USELESS technology that companies DOCTOR to make profit with SOCIAL CHANGE
<4> but the tree is being hollowed out
<3> Jeff`, if the roots are stong, the tree can regrow
<1> yep
<1> it's allllll about a healthy mind
<3> if the top is cut off, the roots grow a new one
<1> in a society
<5> live without love is worthless but how can live be worthless if live is the only thing that you realy own
<4> but the freemasons are dumping coal into the hollow part and are about to set the thing on fire
<4> I have a problem with LoadVars
<4> in IE, in XP
<3> you mean FlashVars, or am I confused?
<1> jeff
<1> but that only seems to apply to the western cultures
<0> nickfury no, fact of the matter is that the roots of the tree, the consumers, won't change readily if saving whatever planet they may, or may not, care about costs more for them, or limits their convience
<4> I create a LoadVars that loads variables from the same URL that the .swf is on
<4> then the user goes to another page
<4> and if they click the back button, they don't get the page with my .swf anymore
<1> Smurf well having republican/conseravtives in govenremnt anywhere doesn't help that either
<4> instead the LoadVars contents is cached as a HTML file that they see
<1> unfortuntely
<1> tehy are the last peopel to want change
<4> and they have to click Refresh to see the proper page again.
<1> Smurf it's like ALL things in history...
<1> for a conscience change in society, comes a personal responsiblity in your own minds eye, to focus on what is important
<1> and to cut the fat.
<3> we have a new president every 4-8 years, does that mean the entire country changes?
<1> a good leader will provide this clarity
<1> a bad leader will fog this
<1> it's as simple as that
<3> if the congress is against the president, can he do anything?
<0> change is happening, but change happens slowly
<1> Smurf of course..
<0> it's not just about what's good
<3> 100 monkeys man
<0> it's about what's economically viable
<1> smurf but our history has shown change can be accelerated
<1> as well
<0> for the most part
<6> Hey
<3> Jeff`, I've never tried to p*** vars from a flash page
<3> Jeff`, I know in js on IE, you have to add a random element or it caches xmlhttp calls
<1> i've done a ... pinch of work today.
<3> I'm waiting for the designer to get back from lunch so I can upload this page
<6> I've played a **** load of scrabble
<1> anyway.. i should probably try to do something now
<4> IE is a horrid conduit
<6> And published 3 files
<1> good debate Smurf
<1> u too frb.
<1> it's funny.. out of 12 years on irc
<1> this is the LAST channel ..
<1> i'm using.
<1> craziness
<7> frb - even if page being called has no cache in header?
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