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<0> it would be more of an increase
<1> bah
<1> coolbits is just a way to oc
<1> any proggy
<1> that increases clock
<1> will do
<1> on both sides
<1> same result
<0> have you seen coolbits?
<1> used it many times
<0> I have seen ATI TOOL
<1> it's a gpu/ram slider
<1> whatever
<1> any software can do it
<1> lots of em out there
<1> for both makers
<0> ati tool is bad...ati's software is also bad
<1> again
<0> ati is bad :>
<1> don't use ati's gui
<1> stuff
<0> hehe
<0> I know
<1> personally
<1> so the drivers themselves
<1> appart from 6.3 which was a major ****up
<1> are pretty solid
<1> nvidia has had major ****ups driver wise
<0> even the ati gpu....
<1> aswell
<0> I have had many problems
<1> I've owned Nvidia
<1> aswell
<0> I lost a couple ATI cards
<1> both make great cards
<0> have you ever burned out an ATI?
<1> nvidia has the edge on drivers
<0> have you ever burned out an AMD?
<1> nope
<0> neither?
<1> 1st AMD I own is my a64
<1> actually
<0> oh
<1> my 386 DX40
<1> was
<1> AMD
<1> 1st ATI I owned
<1> was my 9600XT
<1> then my x800XL
<0> amd 64 is alot better
<0> I have 2 of those
<1> oh of course
<1> wouldn't have touched previous AMD cpus
<1> :)
<0> yeah
<1> not because of the cpus
<1> aXPs
<1> were pretty good
<1> tbirds were ok
<2> were!
<1> original K7
<1> bah
<2> im running an axp!
<2> ;o
<0> old AMD's would burn out in a heart beat
<1> tbirds
<0> poof!
<1> yeah
<0> gone!
<1> aXPs less
<2> psh
<2> i had an axp go over 200F and it still works perfectly
<2> ;(
<0> hehe
<1> and previous ATI stuff
<1> wasn't great either
<1> 8500
<1> 7500
<2> 9200 SE
<2> (mine = crap)
<1> starting from the 9000 series
<1> they got good
<1> 9600, 9700, 9800, and newer
<1> wouldn't have touched ATI before that
<1> what convinced me the state they were at
<1> was when an a64 with ati vid card
<1> landed on my lap
<1> :)
<1> great experience from day one
<1> fast, stable, reliable
<0> 7900GTX would be my card if I had a choice today
<1> oh
<1> probably mine too
<0> but I dont have pci-e
<0> :>
<1> 7600GS AGP
<1> :)
<0> oh?
<0> that wold out preforem mine?
<1> I've yet to see benches
<1> but it uses the same core
<1> as 7900
<1> with pipes cut
<0> yeah
<1> don't know
<1> probably equal
<1> atleast
<1> but most likely faster
<1> nvidia decided to step in
<1> and release 1 last AGP
<1> card
<1> with their HSI bridge chip
<1> since ATI wasn't
<1> tho they might change their mind
<0> AGP is fine...duno why they had to change the slot
<1> they have their rialto chip
<1> aswell
<1> they wanted to unify
<1> all interfaces
<0> yeah
<1> PCI needed a serious boost
<1> AGP was ok
<0> its not some magic speed increase
<0> pci-e
<1> for gig-e network cards
<1> and raid
<0> its a plug!
<1> mostly
<0> the magic isnt in the slot
<1> it's a magic speed increase
<1> for some
<1> it's the bandwith
<1> per slow
<0> well...not from AGP to pci-e
<1> not really
<1> no
<0> heck no!
<0> its all about $$4
<1> PCI-E does help provide a bit more perf
<1> over AGP
<1> but not much
<0> its not the slot itself
<1> in the order of 5%
<1> atmost
<0> its a slot tho
<1> x16 PCIe vs AGP8x
<0> a plug
<1> no
<1> not just that
<1> it's a completely different bus
<1> providing ****loads more bandwith
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