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<0> if you knew how much tax money was literally thrown away in DC, its sickening.
<1> Once you get hired by the government, you have pretty strong reasons to deal with stuff like that.
<2> The purpose of it is to ensure that rank-and-file employees can't be eliminated by political changes. So when a democratic adminstration takes over, they can't just fire all the republican employees, or eliminate programs they don't like by firing the workers, etc...
<2> The government wastes an amazing amount of money, it's true.
<0> so govt grows...an grows...and grows...and grows....
<0> and taxes grow, and grow, and grow...
<1> Like that fact that us government employees don't pay into social security because they ahve their own program, which is on much better financial footing.
<3> Well if so much revenue is being obtained for the govt from corporate taxation to fund the level of defence in the US, there has to be a way to siphon some of that into domestic services like health & education. What we have now is a highly defended and armed society that is dumb and sick.
<4> my neighbor's job for example was moved 150 km away.
<0> govt's #1 role is to defend the country.
<4> Amon_Ra: how is our army doing these days?
<4> I know they're there, somewhere.
<3> MrB: I disagree. Its #1 role is to protect the people of the country. That's a different thing
<5> dunno, my buddy gets send to afganistan for some secret stuff now and then
<3> MrB: Protecting the people of the country includes keeping them healthy and well educated.
<5> thats about it
<0> well, we have a fundamental political disagreement.
<4> not really secret in the way of secret :)
<0> and that's fine.
<5> yes secret as in, cant say what he does thre
<4> any lynch fans here ?
<2> The government's role is to form the union, establish justice, insure peace at home, defend the country, promote welfare, and ensure liberty to its citizens.
<5> he works for intelligence
<4> Amon_Ra: yeah but it's not actually interesting what they do there.
<5> nope
<4> oh
<3> MrB: There is a much higher chance of the average person in the USA being killed from medical disease than being killed in combat
<1> That's not a bad thing.
<0> that depends on world politics.
<5> i dont think many people actually believe the if we make afganistan better, we make the world a better place
<5> as they try in those ads
<4> yeah. they actually advertise now
<3> MrB: And there is a much higher chance of a US person suffering from lack of education, and being forced into a minimum wage job, than the risk of being invaded
<4> that if you go in the army
<4> you can get sent to afganistan
<4> it's the advertisement on tv.
<5> yep
<3> But those things don't sell newspapers
<5> get send there and make the world a better place!
<5> right..
<3> So we don't get to have it pumped into our heads like the daily results of the Iraq war
<2> One important idea that we're blowing though, is that the people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people.
<2> Yes, right from V.
<4> :)
<3> Vibes: yes
<4> k0deg3ar: you'd rather not see the "results" on tv?
<3> ki9a: No, but I'd like to have equal focus on issues like health care and education reform as there is for territorial reform of Iraq
<4> "Damage to the brain's insula instantly wipes out nicotine addiction"
<0> Every individual in America has access to public education. What they make of that, and ultimately how they succeed in life, is up to them. Not the Government. The Government provides the public education to everyone. The indivdual decides what to do with that education.
<3> Terrorists won as soon as we took our eyes off our own domestic agenda
<2> I'd like 90 billion dollars spent on reducing health care costs domestically instead of Iraq.
<3> Yes, but we pay a cook in the army more than we pay a teacher in a public school
<3> Vibes: agreed
<0> oh please.
<0> US Teachers have it pretty damn sweet.
<3> Really? Have you ever tried surviving on their wages?
<1> o.O
<0> excellent health care. guaranteed pensions. guaranteed raises. nice summer vacations.
<0> don't ge me started.
<3> and $25K salary
<3> yeh, that's the career for me!
<0> much morethan htat.
<3> not
<3> not here in AZ
<6> Average is around 32K I believe.
<0> The teacher's unions in teh US are one of the leading causes of my high taxes.
<4> "Archaeological excavations being carried out in Ir David, near the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have uncovered what is said to be one of the most impressive finds in the site: a magnificent terraced street from the Herodian era, which served pilgrims and extended 600 meters from the Shiloah (Siloam) Pool to the Temple."
<3> yep, I could really pay my mortage on $2500 a month
<3> after I pay food, clothing, utilities, car payment, etc.
<4> "In one of the most stark illustrations of how a changing climate can have regional effects, scientists have learned that winds over North America have done a complete 180 since the time of the last Ice Age several thousand years ago."
<2> What world do you live in? Teachers here staged a protest and almost went on strike a couple years ago because they were trying to reduce and in many cases, eliminate, their pensions.
<1> http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary
<4> WASHINGTON - Damage to a silver dollar-sized spot deep in the brain seems to wipe out the urge to smoke, a surprising discovery that may shed important new light on addiction. The research was inspired by a stroke survivor who claimed he simply forgot his two-pack-a-day addiction - no cravings, no nicotine patches, not even a conscious desire to quit. "The quitting is like a light switch that went off," said Dr. Antoine Bechara of the Universi
<3> Drk: that sure beats AZ
<4> Drk`Angel: doesn't look like you wanna teach in florida
<2> k0deg3ar: Where in AZ do you live?
<4> :his year, the drug MDMA, otherwise known as ecstasy, could take a step toward medical respectability. Researchers in South Carolina have begun experimenting with MDMA for patients with post-traumatic stress disorder. At Harvard, a long-awaited pilot study will begin on whether the drug can help relieve anxiety and pain in terminal cancer patients in connection with psychotherapy. And studies will also start in Switzerland and Israel, where a
<3> Vibes: Phoenix
<2> k0deg3ar: Cool. I live in Illinois now, but I grew up in Mesa.
<3> I'm near Tempe so its pretty close to Mesa
<5> cool
<1> Median salary is $49k
<5> legal xtc
<1> Note sure what the average is.
<6> Drk`Angel: I think thats like after 10 years heh
<4> Amon_Ra: it will probably be called differently, and patented.
<3> Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't education funded solely from property taxes?
<3> So if you live in a state with high property taxes, the schools & teachers make more money?
<1> Depends on the state.
<3> I think it is that way here
<1> But, since they'er usually paid by the local government instead of the state government, yes.
<1> Except in states where local governments can levy income tax.
<0> 49K, if you look at it from the perspective of working 9 months, that equates to $65K annualized.
<1> MrBtrieve: Pritty pissy salary for what should be an important job.
<1> I wouldn't say they have it "easy"
<3> I thought there was a constitutional law that said that all taxes raised forced the govt to declare where those specific taxes had to be spent. Ie. taxes on Gas Excise had to be spent on roads, corporate taxes for defence, etc.
<1> That's also median. So, lots make less than that.
<1> (And lots make more too, obviously)
<3> I guess what I'm thinking is that each region, depending on the level of property taxes collected, dictate how much the teachers can make. So if you live in an area that has higher property taxes, you would typically have better schools. Is that wrong?
<0> depends on the population, size, etc
<0> # of families, # of kids
<3> yep, that makes sense
<1> k0deg3ar: Typically. Depending on tax base, etc, yadda
<3> So consequently.... There is a level of choice involved in this based on where you choose to live. If you want to have a better education, move to a place that has higher property taxes
<1> Well, no.
<0> heeh
<1> Move to a palce that has a better school system. Expect taxes to be higher.
<0> higher prop taxes <> better schools
<3> but doesn't higher property taxes mean more funds to pay teachers salaries?
<0> we actually moved to the suburbs for both lower prop taxes, and better schools.
<1> k0deg3ar: Property taxes go into a lot more than jsut schools.
<0> depends onthe community
<3> really?
<0> not all of your prop taxes go to schools
<1> So, it all depends on how the governemt doles out the money.
<3> Drk: here they have to disclose where its going. 85% of it goes into schools here
<1> Moving based entirely on tax rate is insane.
<1> Move to where good schools are known to exist, just don't be shocked if the taxes are higher.
<0> "good schools" <> "Schools with the most money"
<1> Also true.
<0> "good schools"="schools with the right priorities"
<1> Depends on how motivated the teachers are, and how good the administration is.
<3> I want to do a fiscal comparison of the true cost of living of the USA vs. Canada. I'd suspect that with the cost of taxes, real estate, insurances, etc. that it would be cheaper to live in Toronto than in Phoenix
<1> More money doesn't hurt, though.
<6> good schools = good teachers with good morals
<1> gdb: And enough funding to do their job.
<0> schools don't really need "things" to give your kids a good education
<1> MrBtrieve: books are helpful. :)
<4> books help :)
<3> MrB: No, but wouldn't a teacher who is paid healthy be more content to focus on their job?
<0> not really.
<1> k0deg3ar: You're oversimplfying in a really really bad way.
<3> Drk: educate me
<1> We've been trying to for the last 20 or 30 lines.
<3> :)
<0> good teachers are those who went to school to learn to teach because they have a p***ion for teaching.
<6> I hate public school. Morals should be instilled by the parent and not the child yet the child spends the majority of its years at schools.. therefore the morals that are represented in the school system is instilled in the child.
<0> not for the salary
<1> You should also note that mrb and I are pretty much on the opposite side of the politcal spectrum.
<1> The fact that we're agreeing should say something :)
<3> lol
<4> yeah
<4> thats weird
<4> :)
<0> good teachers are born.
<0> not just paid well.
<3> I guess the best schools are found through 'word of mouth' referral then?
<3> Drk: why not wait for the iPhone?
<1> k0deg3ar: There are good rankings of school systems available.
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