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<0> generally requiring maintenance
<1> and more flexibility.
<1> not really... linux just runs
<1> schedule a reboot once a month and it's fine
<0> yes you still have to do standard maintenance
<1> like what
<0> yes, thats what everyone with a linux webserver says
<1> um its a router not a webserver
<0> then after a year, their machine starts panicing
<0> doesn't matter
<1> there's nothing to maintain :)
<1> cache = off, proxy server = off
<0> any *nix need maintenance
<1> in fact you can run it off a flash drive
<1> or a memory stick... there's an article on IPCOP's site.
<0> speciallized linux
<1> not really
<0> not standard linux
<0> yes
<2> its a good idea to upgrade the software
<1> why you want a full blown linux on a router?
<1> it has everything you need from a linux as a router
<2> even "routers" running free/openbsd need upgrades
<0> why would you have a proxy server installed on a router, and why would you have to turn it off? :P
<1> well future-proof sort of updates, and I guess it's like updating firmware, so that covers your maintenance
<1> well it's an option so to cache lan's internet
<1> IPCOP has it and it speeds websites
<0> only if you specifically install a proxy
<1> but I had it off because we had 10mbit anyway
<0> it has nothing to do with the OS
<1> well im not going to run just an OS
<1> it's a stripped release called IPCOP :)
<0> so you are going to use it for other things
<1> and it has telnet and web access, with everything configurable, including proxy etc.
<0> sounds like squid
<1> not really, i was thinking of using it to download stuff but its silly
<1> yeah it has squid
<0> thats what one of my boxes is for
<0> all my p2p is run from my linux box
<1> you can't beat linux router, it has too much config routers will never have :)
<0> and a lot of things other routers don't have
<1> like what
<0> for one, no auto configure
<1> wtf is auto configure ? :)
<0> hardware routers have nice auto configuration
<1> lol what does it do
<1> "nice auto configuration" that is.
<1> is it NAC ? :P
<0> it uses the lan to auto configure the internet connection, including auto mac address ***ignment
<1> heh I can write a script in Linux to do it PISS EASY.
<1> and that tbh sounds hardly attractive
<1> when you buy a router, you want to set it yourself...
<0> try it, many have
<1> I wouldn't trust any automatic settings.
<1> I want to review everythign to the last detail on my router, because you set it up once.
<0> you would have to write C code, and do raw socket messaging
<0> TByte: well it works, and most people like that not having to figure out that
<1> well Auto Mac ***ignment is not a problem, no complicated code ther
<0> TByte: you asked what was missing
<1> Auto Configure the internet connection is also questionable.
<1> well I just wanted to know what were them features that linux box would really need
<0> but you didn't ask that
<1> I don't think they're any good, and if they were they'd be built in the best router linux versions
<0> generally no, if you know what your doing, if not, then its a nice feature to have
<1> well I ***umed you know waht you're doing :)
<0> i do, all my machines run their own compile of linux
<0> i don't use any as a router though
<0> iptables can be questionable
<1> I just argue why one thing is better than other... and imo linux box is more stable, 512 of RAM, run it off a memory stick, and have a tiny case, headless, can even get a switch card...
<0> i do like the syslogd configuration of my router
<1> routers get slow after a while.
<0> but totally useless to someone who doesn't know how to set one up, so is a linux box better for them, hell no
<1> run a bit of bittorrent, and standalone router will keep a log of the TCP connections for hours
<1> it has expiry timer...
<1> it happens so often, that after a few downloads, you have to reset the router to restore performance
<0> i've been running bittorrent for over a month now, with 700+ connections, and i'm still getting the same speeds as before
<1> do you have a dedicated connection and pc for downloads
<0> never had to reset my router
<0> pc?
<1> well do you have a separate internet conn for that?
<0> i have a dhcp connection, cable modem
<1> heh, 1?
<1> k
<0> one
<1> i find it hard to believe
<1> unless it's a damn good router
<1> but then im not disputing the fact that there're great routers out there, probably better than what one can build (but at a price)
<0> maybe
<0> it was only $99
<1> this makes me wonder :/
<1> anways, heh you're patient :)
<1> im going to bed, 6am... **** this
<0> the last router i got was a netgear, but i had problems (NON connection oriented) with it
<1> i guess i was cursed with them routers :P
<0> static DHCP was ****ing up
<1> yeah that'd be bad
<0> and i had some port forwarding, that would just stop working after a while, until i reset the modem
<1> that's ****ed up too :)
<0> very
<0> so i took it back, got that dlink one
<1> well I don't think I can plug my ADSL2 modem to a PC router
<0> i just plugged it in, and set up a few things, and i've never had to reset it since
<1> or any other router, its adsl2, and im stuck with what i have
<0> why not?
<1> and luckily its decent equipment
<0> isn't it just a ether cable?
<1> only if it's a router then yes
<1> if it's just adsl2 modem, then USB :/
<1> with USB its horrible
<1> gotta dial up :/
<0> i never buy a modem that doesn't have an cat5 connection
<1> with router dialing for you it's like lan
<0> correct
<1> no this one is fine, has no USB support which is good :P
<0> i think mine has USB HD support
<1> i mean if i was to make a box for a router..
<1> then I donno how I'd make this adsl2 work
<0> you plug a USB hard drive in, and allows you to see it as a share?
<0> i thought most routers allowed you to put in dial up params?
<1> yeah
<1> well most ISPs in UK with DSL give you just modem
<1> a ****ty tiny little device that has usb cable
<0> you know, you can ask for one with an ether connection, and they will give you one
<1> and then it's web managable oyu think?
<0> most likely
<1> i personally never had dsl until now
<0> ahhh
<1> my mum did, but she soon switched to cable
<1> when i used mum's dsl, i was pissed off
<0> yeah
<1> having to keep dialing, and it was buggy as ****
<0> i got rid of my phone line
<0> don't need it
<1> comes with annoying additional software, that blinks in the task tray
<1> you prefer cable?
<0> i use to run a BBS back in the day
<1> I see
<1> I used to use one :P
<1> in israel :) loads of them (were)
<0> yes, faster startup time, no need for logins
<1> i started to disagree with my previous opinion about cable being better
<0> lol
<0> maybe try wireless?
<1> with setup like this im happy , adsl2 modem/router, great.
<1> well i have 16mbit, no cable in uk does offer such speeds yet
<0> wireless internet seems to be getting faster
<1> yeah, i donno what it s called, the new version
<1> imma sell internet in this block of flats
<1> but id like to keep my main PC wired to the router, for optimum performance :p
<1> playing games uC :P
<1> well i gotta sleep some, talked for one hour straight heh
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