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<warjest> MrBtrieve: got a second before you go ?
<MrBtrieve> sure
<ki9a> hrmm. If in Delphi for .NET a namespace is a "unit"
<ki9a> how does it deal with two dll colliding in one namespace?
<warjest> I have a btrieve table that has a number of columns. what appears to have happened is in the table definition a column is defined as a char(30) or such, and it was expanded to a char(40) but the table definition wasn't updated. DTS fails to extract it due to the column definition problem
<MrBtrieve> how are you accessing the Btrieve tables?
<warjest> an application read/writes to this table without issues, but even the PSQL interface can't read the table due to this issue
<warjest> DTS/OLE, or PSQL
<MrBtrieve> pfft
<MrBtrieve> so the DDF wasn't changed?
<MrBtrieve> then you're screwed
<warjest> how in the hell does the app read/write to it just fine then ?
<MrBtrieve> its probably still writing a max of 30 chars
<warjest> i know they use one version of delphi, with one version of third party components, etc. they've hacked up their databasing system
<MrBtrieve> is this field at the end of the table?
<warjest> nope
<warjest> about 4 columns deep of ~20
<MrBtrieve> so the 'extra' 10 bytes that the field was expanded to ... what was there before?
<warjest> no idea. i just examined the table and realised that the field definition as far as start position, length wasn't right. i noticed one was 10 longer than it was supposed to be. i don't know the history behind it
<warjest> and the parent company wont support it
<MrBtrieve> just remember that - at the core, Btrieve is a record manager
<MrBtrieve> which means all i cares about is that give to you, and receives from you, x # of bytes.
<warjest> i have used the microkernel dumps but in this case there is a lot of binary in the table and i haven't been able to figure out how to convert how they store date times to something valid
<MrBtrieve> with me?
<warjest> no, i'm saying i have used microkernel dumps for other tables that were screwed up in the ddf and extracted data via that way
<warjest> but i've always extracted strings, and i read the record #. i can't convert their date times to something valid
<warjest> i.e. i don't know how btrieve writes them to disk
<MrBtrieve> you going to be around later today?
<warjest> yup
<Rahly> use the dump reader by ms?
<warjest> Rahly: ?
<Rahly> nvm
<MrBtrieve> warjest: give me 30 minutes or so and then we can go over some of the dirty details of Btrieve that you need to know.
<MrBtrieve> ok?
<warjest> ok
<warjest> you take care of your **** and i'll take care of mine
<Rahly> did you recreate crypt, Vibes?
<Vibes^> No, I found someone else who did.
<Rahly> thats good
<Vibes^> All it is is a DES implementation that allows an arbitrary length salt.
<Rahly> ahhh, i know php's crypt does multiple things depending on input, i was just wondering
<Dayna> hi guys.
<Dayna> having a problem.
<Vibes^> But I'm really digging ASP.NET. I could get used to this.
<Mjolnir> digging ASP.NET? At what point do you realize you're in a hole?
<Dayna> when I have two windows (from tform) I link them together by adding code to form1 that moves form2 relative to form1
<Dayna> but since both windows contain animations... form2 creates blanks in form1 that need to be redrawn during a quick drag operation on form1
<Dayna> this looks really bad.
<Dayna> is it true that if I used mdi windows... the drag/move operation is faster?
<Mjolnir> Dayna - mdi windows aren't much different in speed. Have you tried enabling double-buffering?
<Squasige> woot
<Dayna> Mjolnir: yeah it makes TFlashPlayerControl go beserk... draws wierd.
<Mjolnir> One of those....
<Mjolnir> :(
<Mjolnir> So it's flash you're doing your animations in. Unfortunately that's not something I'm familiar with (though for my own benifit I OUGHT to learn)
<Mjolnir> Some other animation setups I can make double-buffer and they're smooth.
<Mjolnir> But since Flash has major advantages over running plain AVI, fixing flash is probably the way to go.
<Dayna> *nod*
<Mjolnir> The thing is, I've noticed in web browsers and other things, that when I drag the whole window, the image breaks up badly.
<Mjolnir> So this isn't just a Delphi thing.
<Dayna> nope.
<Mjolnir> I specifically note this with Quicktime.
<Mithandir> make it SVG :)
<_seibXa__> hm
<_seibXa__> why using tflashplayercontrol?
<_seibXa__> i think there is some ocx u can use for flash animation
<_seibXa__> in powerpoint u can embed a flash object for instance..
<daedo> tflashplayercontrol is probably just a wrapper around the activex object
<Mjolnir> Dayna - The one thing I HAVE made work right with all this stuff is VLC rendering to a CGI object. However I don't know if VLC can do Flash, and even if it can, how embeddable it is. Lemme look.
<Mithandir> how do you know Tflashplayercontrol isn't a wrapper around that ocx ? :)
<_seibXa__> daedo ok i dont know ;)
<Mjolnir> _seibXa__ What Dayna's describing is basically a problem with the flash ActiveX.
<_seibXa__> ok
<_seibXa__> i didnt know ;)
<_seibXa__> maybe u can create a small html file
<_seibXa__> and embed an IE control?
<Mjolnir> I've beaten my head on the wall over issues related to this. Her problem is just one manifestation of a major design flaw that drives a number of people bananas.
<Mithandir> mmmm ... bananas
<Mjolnir> _seibXa__ If you move IE around with flash animation running, you'll probably get the same effect. Checking on that now to see if the newest does that.
<Dayna> _seibXa__: TFlashPlayerControl is a wrapper for delphi to use the flash.ocx
<_seibXa__> k
<Mithandir> nice echo in here :)
<Dayna> _seibXa__: its a cl*** that implements the activex
<_seibXa__> dayna i didnt know this ;)
<Dayna> and its written by people who used to work for macromedia.
<Dayna> and its free.
<_seibXa__> k
<Mjolnir> Dayna - can you send me a sample of what you're doing. I got Flash to go more smoothly here but I think it's due to the way I have my video set up.
<Mjolnir> You don't have to send the whole app - just the two linked windows and the video for them.
<Mjolnir> Whoa
<Mjolnir> Looking up the details on that control.
<Mjolnir> It is NOT an ActiveX wrapper, it does it all itself.
<Mjolnir> Ah, I keep reading and they change their tune
<Mjolnir> It is a wrapper, but a very fancy one.
<Mjolnir> AHA! It says transparency is fully supported. Rather than double buffering, try this - Turn on alpha blend, but leave the alpha level at 100%
<Rahly> alpha blending is a translucent effect, not transparent
<Mjolnir> Yes, but it changes the buffering mode to something that SHOULD be smoother.
<Rahly> yup
<Rahly> for tranparent affects, regions would be better
<Mjolnir> I've been all over the API level for both transparency and translucence
<Mjolnir> At the API level, setting the window to overlay mode may fix her problem, but I'd want to be able to play with that a bit,
<Mjolnir> Rahly - did you ever play with my mad alpha blender? Allows you to alpha any window in the system.
<MrBtrieve> interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/06/microsoft-planning-wifi-enabled-portable-media-player-working-o/
<Dayna> Mjolnir: no sorry. I cannot. NDA and all that.
<Dayna> anyone have code for creating a dragframe? is it complicated?
<Dayna> as in when I drag a window... the window stays where it was... and the frame moves?
<Dayna> then when you let go the window pops over there.
<Rahly> is there a ShowMessage equiv in C#?
<ootje> there's a static method in MessageBox or something
<ootje> MessageBox.Show()
<esby> Console.WriteLine(message);
<ootje> i wouldnt exactly call that a messagebox-equivalent :P
<esby> according to here http://www.devsource.com/article2/0,1895,1828696,00.asp
<ootje> System.Windows.Forms -> MessageBox.Show(..)
<Rahly> Console.WriteLine is a Writeln() equiv
<Rahly> not a showmessage equiv
<_seibXa__> anyone got a good hint for a book for c# ?
<Rahly> ootje, actually, i just found it before you said it
<ootje> _seibXa__: i read 2, one was a "in 21 days" which ****ed as it was too slow/too newb to programming, and then skipped over to some more java/c++/* -> c# book..
<Rahly> i think the last programming book i've read was Mastering Delphi 3
<ootje> well, if you know java, c# should be a walk in the park
<ootje> seems they were *ahem* "very inspired" by java :P
<ootje> plus/minus a few things
<Dayna> hi there again.
<Mjolnir> Ah, I'm me on my main nick. Lovely when the IRC client just up and crashes.
<Dayna> well my backup battery system is 5 hours into keeping this laptop alive.
<Dayna> and its down to 60 something percent of capacity
<Mithandir> yah
<Mithandir> don't be surprised if it dies within 10 minutes
<Mithandir> capacity readings, especially on new laptops, can be very unreliable
<Dayna> this is a backup battery system. similar to a UPS in that the power comes on when it loses power.
<ki9a> So anyone else found Blade 3 disapointing?
<Mithandir> I always find Blade^ dissapointed
<Mithandir> oh you mean the movie? Have only seen the first in the series
<ki9a> ah k.
<Rahly> it was ok
<Rahly> the first was prolly the best, just like ANY movie ever made
<Mithandir> hm
<Mithandir> remind me not to see 2 and 3 then
<Mithandir> also I thought LotR 2 and 3 were better than 1 :)
<Rahly> well there are exceptions to every rule, but generally thats the case
<Mithandir> yah
<Mithandir> and doubly so if the movies are made by disney
<ki9a> James Bond :P
<Rahly> lol
<Mithandir> tho I have decent hopes for Pirates of the Caribean
<ki9a> when's that out ?
<Rahly> this month?


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