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<0> Kristian: me too :)
<1> before woody, I found debian a pain on the desktop, but lovely on the server-side
<0> I've never deployed another linux aside from woody in a server role
<1> we had a nightmarish mix of slackware and red hat servers where I worked in 2001...
<0> err aside from debian SINCE woody I mean
<1> but anyway
<1> bed time
<0> Testinger: I think if you get 'under the covers' you will find that debian is alot more mature and stable, the filesystem hierarchy makes sense, the packages are complete and well tested, the documentation is generally good, the scripts that come with it are powerful and intuitive....
<0> later kristian
<0> it is just way more well thought out than all the others
<0> not so ad-hoc and "slapped together"
<0> *plus* it is truly free, not just sorta-free
<0> if you care about that sort of thing
<1> I hear that
<0> there is a very good reason why over 100 other distributions have been based off of debian, including most of the ones in the top ten like ubuntu and knoppix and whatnot
<1> beryl got rejected for accidently renaming a couple of tango icons
<2> knoppix baby
<2> yeah
<0> knoppix is awesome, I don't go onsite to anyplace without a copy of knoppix
<2> hells yeah
<0> I also don't go onsite where they have windows without a copy of miniPE-XT
<2> don't know what that is
<0> its the same idea as knoppix, but it is windows livecd
<0> only it is released by a warez group and comes with every tool you could imagine just pre-installed and working
<2> lol...so illegal
<0> like partition magic, ghost, the entire avast! kit, arconis trueimage, etc. etc. etc.
<0> yah its illegal as hell LOL
<0> but handy!
<0> theres like $15,000 of licensed software on it probably
<2> nice!
<2> i guess i need to obtain a copy
<0> but if you need to get at/fix a windows box, nothing beats it
<0> you can find it on the torrents
<0> its known as minipe-xt or minipe2xt
<0> there are new builds released every few months with updated copies of stuff
<2> cool...thanks for the tip
<0> np
<2> does this website in the topic work well for installing debian?
<0> which, the install debian from windows?
<0> it works great...
<0> if you can boot from cd though, its just as easy to use the netinstall disc
<2> i'm ***uming there is a partitioning and dual boot tool in there?
<2> or does it delete windows all together
<2> haha
<0> yah it does a dual boot thingy
<0> it basically puts an install image onto C: and creates an option to boot to that image from the windows bootloader
<0> from that point forward it is identical to booting from the netinstall cd
<0> which is why the netinstall cd method is probably "cleaner"
<2> i see
<2> i got an old laptop laying here that i could try it on...but i'd rather sell it
<2> haha
<3> i've used it
<3> it was pretty uneventful
<2> i'll slap it on the old gateway in the basement
<3> heh... "Testinger slaps his gateway around a bit with a debian"
<2> haha
<2> nice
<2> well i'll come back with my synopsis
<2> i really don't have any use for it on a laptop...i mostly with windows based products
<4> on my server mysql sometime lag alot how i can find what is the problem ?
<0> mytop is one thing to check out
<5> hi
<6> my apps are responding very slowly, and i hear my hard drive(s) thrashing. top says nothing is using a lot of cpu time, so i ***ume paging is at fault. how can i find the app/process responsible for the problem?
<0> ps auxf
<0> top
<0> things like that
<0> there are all sorts of infoz to be found under /proc
<6> phobia: top cant tell me what is swapping, neither can ps
<0> sparr: you should check the manpages for ps
<0> you might find the details surrounding the RSS and VSZ values interesting
<6> phobia: i dont care how much swap space an app is using. i care how often its being accessed (and thus, swapped)
<0> well good luck with that, you might be able to script something that uses the statistics kept in /proc
<0> -shrug-
<0> ps -v can at least narrow down to only the processes using vm
<0> I would think you could figure it out from there
<0> or are you dealing with a box that has thousands of processes?
<0> since gettys and other idle and mostly stuff will be using NO cpu time, I would think that the ps -v list should help you figure out which ones are the culprit pretty fast actually
<0> since they would HAVE to be using CPU time to be swapping in and out, even on the most efficient scsi based boxen
<7> hello phobia, the guy from canada
<0> haha sup
<0> still in pain eh?
<7> hey
<7> actually a friend came over with regular 'buy at farmacy for headaches and hungover' painkillers
<7> and now im good
<7> i feel a slight sting
<7> but its moved, and its so much better
<0> cool
<7> but i still want the codeine buzz :)
<0> haha
<7> hehe
<7> hm
<7> we get more and more a 1984 like society
<8> hello,
<8> how can i install proxy[sock4] on my shell
<7> awesome-: learn how to use apt
<7> apt?
<9> it has been said that apt is aptHOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html 'apt-setup' configurs /etc/apt/sources(.list) - 'apt-spy' finds fatest mirror - 'apt-get update' gets the latest packages - apt-get dist-upgrade synchronizes to newest packages - 'apt-cache search <pattern>' searches in name of all .debs- 'apt-get install <package>' installs - 'apt-get remove <package>' deinstalls - 'apt-file search <filename>' in which pa
<7> apt-get?
<9> well, apt-get is debians package/program manager and one of the key features why people choose debian. Please see factoid 'apt' for usage
<8> i need to be
<8> root for it?
<10> awesome-, obviously
<8> ;[
<7> quit [Ping timeout: no data for 486 seconds] @Napta
<7> oops
<10> nagual do you know of an easy way to download all files from a specific dir on an ftp?
<7> lftp
<10> well yeah, i meant without a client
<7> it thinkg wget / curl should be able to do that as well
<10> wget or curl
<10> havent had any luck with wget, it just downloads the index.html
<7> commandline like?
<10> yeah
<6> how can i tell which application is causing ram/swap activity?
<7> Hewitson: just checkijng around a bit, im not sure, but you hsould be able to do that with lftp
<7> sparr: lsof
<6> nagual: hmm, what would i look for?
<7> actually im wrong
<7> its too early
<10> nagual, i got wget to do it, thanks
<7> Hewitson: how
<10> it actually had a http://ftp. at the start of the address which i didnt notice
<10> i just did wget ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-m68k/rc1/images/tools/amiga/*
<7> yo uhave an amiga?
<7> how cool is that
<7> my c64 got stolen
<7> :/
<10> i still have my c64c
<10> i love commodore computers
<7> well, i would like to have my commodore be my router
<7> i have a p3 700 and it doesnt do anything
<10> you could if you got a mediator and a few pci nic's, but itd cost a lot and be a big waste of an amiga :)
<7> what are you doign with it then?
<10> mainly gaming and demos
<10> bit of internet use
<7> you can have emulators for that
<10> yeah, which all run like ****
<7> hehe
<10> theres no comparison between an amiga emulator and the proper hardware
<7> im gonna go to the store and buy brekkie
<10> what you having?
<11> Hewitson are u using Amiga OS4
<10> dustybin, no, that doesnt actually run on real amigas
<7> phobia:
<7> phyber:
<7> Hew`botlo: we dont allow status nicks in hear
<12> nagual: sup.
<13> moin
<14> My music's so loud
<14> IM SWINGING
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