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<0> and they have pics that compare them with before they started it?
<1> http://www.supplementwatchdog.com/ripfast.shtml
<2> heh im already reading it :P
<1> that one _Napta ?
<3> let me get the magazine
<3> sorry, my big mistake
<3> they were on Maximuscle products
<3> ripfast was some stupid magazine that come free -looked fake
<3> hmm, maximuscle thermobol, cyclone, promax
<2> i would generally treat all suppliments with a giant dose of skepticism
<2> if it makes it to the new england journal of medicine then its probably worth taking a look at :)
<3> me too - but the magazine (its own staff, completly with photos, aha) did their own article, with some sponsoring I guess - but results don't lie.
<3> hahaha
<2> sure they do
<3> well I was just looking for the best way to build muscle (protein?) without eating meats, eggs, fish etc



<3> but still healthy
<0> denken: yea, your fascination with 'science' is fascinating. So, on average, how many things since, lets say the 1950s, are unchanged in the world of science?
<2> _Napta: so you dont want to eat any animal products or just not those particular things?
<0> Napta_: you are a vegan?
<3> no no
<3> just really fussy
<2> nagual: i dont fish, thanks.
<0> yea, i know your intake of new information is limited
<3> general diet erm.. pizza, pasta, fries, all the crap stuff. maybe one meal per day heh
<0> err
<3> like today. my lunch: crisps, water. dinner: waffles
<0> you should eat ~5 times a day
<0> small portions
<3> I know
<0> ;)
<0> anyways, back to reading
<3> but I have maybe one meal, and don't feel hungry
<3> I only take in about 1k callories
<4> why don't you want to eat meats, eggs, or fish?
<3> that can't be good heh
<3> tchang: don't like the taste
<4> interesting
<3> meat as in hotdogs, sausages - sure fine. but steaks and crap, nooo
<3> (uber fussy r i)
<3> but yeah I have very broad shoulders, and I'm pretty big - so I figure I could build some muscle, might as well use what I have
<3> its amazing im not little and skinny actually, with my piss poor diet
<0> Napta_: yea, i strongly believe all people should train something (if needed ofc :)
<3> and who better to consult than you guys :D
<3> how do you mean?
<0> well
<0> i believe its difficult to reach optimal performance of a human being so to say, without having a pretty well trained body
<3> oh
<3> I agree
<3> but you can't build muscle without protein intake, right?
<0> its like having a car, you need to take care of the body and engine in order for it to function as best as it can
<0> right
<0> and you need carbonhydrates whcih is like the fuel
<3> so I need to eat better - but i don't eat the mean protein foods ( and probably never will).
<0> and vitamins and minerals in order to maximise intake of the two above
<3> I get a decent amount of vitamins (alot of juices, fruit) and carbohydrates (bread??)
<0> Napta_: once you start training and switching diets your tastes will change
<3> lol
<2> _Napta: beans are a great source of protein. there are also milk-whey based products too.
<2> tofu is good
<3> beans hmm
<0> anyways
<5> yay. we are finally talking about my life :-)
<5> good evening to all y'all
<2> hi avtobiff
<5> hello denken
<2> i take it youre a vegetable :)
<2> or a vegan possibly
<5> no a bean
<5> denken, hehe vegan that is
<5> denken, what does tofu have to do with a vegetables life?
<2> its what happens when a vegetable sits in a vat in the sun for a few weeks
<2> ?



<5> a vegetable can eat anything. they simply cannot move due to muscle power (loss) or lack of limbs
<5> vat?
<5> the vatican?
<5> ok big jar.
<2> yes
<5> they become tofu=
<5> ?
<2> exactly
<2> tofu = bean curd
<5> i know
<5> but beans are not exactly vegetables. aren't they the reproductive organs of the plant?
<5> (seeds)
<2> hmm good point
<2> perhaps they are technically fruit? like tomatos?
<5> they are... indeed the seeds.
<6> is there anything special I need to be aware of before reinstalling debian on a system with lvm2 ? (rootfs is not on it).. or basicly just install required stuff and mount the partition again?
<2> ok its quittin time
<7> I installed proftd as standalone. and I want to restrict the users to their home directory. I went on the proftd site and they say to put <VirutalHost 0.0.0.0> DefaultRoot ~ </VirtualHost>. ofcourse with the right IP or domain name. the thing is when I try to restart service it says that the IP:PORT is already used by proftpd...
<3> was on phone, back
<8> what do i need to do so that i dont have to do 'ifdown usb0; ifup usb0' to get usbnet working again every time i reboot my pda?
<3> gah
<3> We're all being made redundant
<3> These "new age" attacks of web services (ala XSS/ SQL injection) at the application layer are making me outdated.
<5> heh
<3> I can harden a server as much as I want, but if some idiot runs an unpatched php app then it all goes to hell
<5> SQL injection is as old as SQL _Napta
<3> albeit with some damage limitations
<3> avtobiff: I know this
<9> heh in a few years users will all be redundant
<3> but years ago people used to exploit sendmail
<5> _Napta, ok.
<5> true
<3> now theres self proprogating myspace worms and everything:/
<3> so scary
<8> heh in a few years users will all be redundant
<3> _javascript worms_
<5> heh have you seen the jshttpd?
<3> Tsunami: I hope so - will make sysad easier
<3> avtobiff: die!! :)
<3> I find it bad enough with jboss at work
<9> it will cause another world war :p millions will lose their jobs
<5> what is jboss?
<3> stupid web server in a java VM crap pos
<3> we use jboss(AS) which is a java application server
<3> which runs a web service
<5> ok
<3> oh yeah, ruby on rails is terrifying too
<5> why?
<3> another web service :(
<3> everyone should just use apache with cgi or php!
<5> i heard someone yesterday that said that he would build his next webapp in ruby on rails.
<3> I wish people would just try and hackx0r my sendmail, not web forums :(
<3> well
<5> heh
<3> my boss developed an app in RoR in about 29 lines of code (including the web service) which replaced a couple of hundred lines of java
<3> he was pretty impressed
<5> nice
<5> it seems powerful
<3> indeed
<3> I still don't fully understand it - suppose I should, no doubt the boss will want it in production soon
<3> crap, wireless is flaking out noo.
<10> my web got hacked last year cause of some xml thing that was faulty. When I entered it one day it was changed out with a pakistan freedom fighter thing :)
<10> Good evening ;-)
<3> nice
<11> evening people :)
<9> evening Kristian
<10> Good evening Kristian.
<11> punani: xgl ?
<12> xgl is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm and for a pretty video dl http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi
<13> What packages do I need to be able to use ipv6?


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