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<0> yeah indeed.
<1> You mentioned "the transparent webcache of your ISP" .. does that sound like something that I should bring up to the senior tech support at Comcast next time I call? I always make them send me straight to the top techs so I don't have to deal with the minimum wage morons
<2> 0ooo air gear anime series sounds good
<0> well if you tracerouted the web servers you wanna reach and you couldn't reach them, it's not the webcache
<0> but if you can ping those host, but can't see the web (port 80 stuff) then it might be the webcache
<0> sometimes the webcache of my ISP hangs and I can't visit ANY web page haha
<0> nor any of the ISP subscribers
<1> Hmm
<1> It's so hard to pinpoint this problem
<0> then I have to use a proxy, or a VPN connection, or whatever to byp*** his port 80 crappy webcache
<0> yeah it's hard if you're not looking the ISP routers hehehe
<1> I've checked EVERYTHING on my end, including my network hosts file
<1> I should have just got the verizon FiOS when it became available... I was waiting for comcast to come out with their 16mbps cable
<1> I just tried tracerouting mail.google.com (one of the servers I have trouble with) and it timed out on the 2nd hop like usual.
<0> what's the previous server
<1> router
<0> the one that answered
<0> well yeah "hop"
<0> not necessarily a router
<0> but it behaves like one heh
<1> 192.168.2.1
<1> thats the first hop
<0> oh boy
<0> oh ok
<0> and the second?
<1> 2nd timed out.. it doesn't list the address
<0> oh then it's definetely your router!
<0> hehehe
<0> 192.168.2.1 is *your* router
<1> i know thats what I said :P
<0> that's weird.
<1> but again, if it's my router then why do I have no trouble when behind a proxy? that makes no sense...
<2> if anyone is bored tonight, spam the hell out of #geekissues
<0> done.
<1> scorp ill show you an example traceroute.. one sec
<1> ugh i can't even use pastebin
<0> traceroute: Warning: mail.google.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.185.19
<0> traceroute to googlemail.l.google.com (64.233.185.19), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
<0> 1 10.41.0.1 6.448 ms 6.178 ms 5.379 ms
<0> 2 10.10.21.7 6.913 ms 7.257 ms 6.345 ms
<0> etc
<0> 5 198.32.124.135 300.162 ms 49.668 ms 48.394 ms
<0> MPLS Label=145515 CoS=0 TTL=1 S=1
<0> 6 198.32.124.133 46.467 ms 48.449 ms 48.907 ms
<0> etc
<0> 10 64.233.185.19 61.934 ms 59.413 ms 62.595 ms <-- mail.google.com
<1> http://www.cakephp.org/pastes/show/787136daf63e1fd9d9a79205db154c08
<1> go there
<0> let's see
<0> oh that's ok
<0> when you traceroute you know
<0> you are setting TTL=1
<0> then TTL=2
<0> (time to live)
<0> sometimes a router doesn't send the ICMP "time to live exceeded"
<0> 'cos it was configured that way
<1> i don't understand
<0> that means the second hop just doesn't send any ICMP info, it was configured that way on purpose
<0> ok
<0> you're gonna program a traceroute
<0> how'd you do it?
<1> tracert -d mail.google.com
<0> imagine you're programming that tracert binary!
<1> haha
<1> 001001101001010010001010011010000100100101010010000100010010101000010
<0> every IP packet has a field that it's "time to live"
<0> that time is in "hops" unit
<1> ok
<0> I don't remember the default (255 maybe) but when you program a traceroute you send an ICMP echo packet with TTL=1 first
<0> then the first hop sends you a ICMP back "time to live exceeded"
<0> then you know the first hop
<0> then send the same ICMP packet with TTL=2
<1> so how do you write that
<0> this time the second hop will answer "time to live exceeded"
<0> so
<0> if your second hop doesn't answer in your traceroute but your third does
<0> it means your second hop didn't want to send a "time to live exceeded" ICMP packet
<1> oh ok
<0> so:
<0> in that traceroute I can see you can reach mail.google.com just fine
<0> why don't you try a telnet mail.google.com 25
<0> err 110
<0> bah that's webbased?
<0> well telnet mail.google.com 80
<0> akane:/home/naikel/Mail> telnet mail.google.com 80
<0> Trying 64.233.185.19...
<0> Connected to mail.google.com.
<0> Escape character is '^]'.
<0> ---
<0> just like that
<1> ok it looks like i might have connected
<1> i typed telnet mail.google.com 80 and hit enter and it went to a black screen with a blinking cursor
<1> waiting for a p***word I think
<0> type
<0> GET / HTTP/1.0
<0> Host: mail.google.com
<0> and then enter twice
<0> like this:
<1> i cant see anything when I type
<0> Connected to mail.google.com.
<0> Escape character is '^]'.
<0> GET / HTTP/1.0
<0> Host: mail.google.com
<0> HTTP/1.0 302 Moved Temporarily
<1> (i'm on windows btw)
<0> Location: /mail/
<0> etc
<0> it's the same
<1> When I type "telnet mail.google.com 80" and press enter, it clears the command prompt and sends me to a completely blank screen, with a blinking cursor. when I type, the cursor moves but no letters show up
<0> that's normal in Windows.
<3> logp***
<1> oh
<1> what am I supposed to do at the blank screen?
<0> anyway if you get connected to mail.google.com port 80 I wonder why your browser doesn't work at http://mail.google.com
<0> http://googlemail.l.google.com
<0> http://googlemail.l.google.com/mail
<0> try that one
<1> I CAN go to mail.google.com .. but when I try to send a mail it doesn't work. As soon as I press the submit button, it says "waiting for mail.google.com" and eventually times out
<2> ok
<0> or http://www.google.com/mail
<2> windows 2000 pro is now installed on my sempron 2000
<0> oooooooooh
<1> yeah..
<2> tomarrow I will start loading drivers etc
<0> that one is harder to debug
<1> yeah.. submitting post data seems to be the biggest problem I'm having
<1> it's not ALWAYS when sending info, but a lot of the time that's the problem
<0> oh
<1> and when i'm on google images.. if I search for something, the top half of the thumbnails will load, then it will choke and stop loading images
<0> I see
<1> sorry if I didn't explain it well enough before, I thought we were on the same page :P
<0> heh
<0> no problem
<1> Weird problem, eh?
<0> indeed
<1> Example #1: I was trying to reply to a post on a forum, and whenever I pressed "submit" it would not send the reply. Example #2: when I click "send" to send an email, it stops working. Example #3: When trying to upload an image to a forum, as soon as I selected my image and pressed "UPLOAD" it stopped working.
<1> Each time, the same problem. "Waiting for blah.blah.com...." after about 3 minutes it redirects me to "Connection Reset" error message.
<0> try doing it with IE
<1> Fire up a proxy.. everything works peachy.
<1> IE does the same thing
<0> weird
<1> Yeah
<1> Very
<1> And all 3 computers on the network have the same problem
<1> I always have the most bizarre and unique computer problems :D
<2> na join the club
<1> Oh, and the really weird part. I couldn't upload the image to the forum.. but I can upload images to Photobucket just fine ..... o_O
<1> imageshack.us doesn't work either
<1> And I don't know if you know what it is.. but there's a service called Mozy (mozy.com) .. it's a free remote backup service. It generally automatically backs up files nightly. As soon as this problem started occuring.. mozy was no longer able to upload my backups. Haven't been able to use it for 2 weeks now
<2> wow mozy looks kinda cool
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