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<0> no
<1> No?
<0> newer boards have seperate clocks for pci, agp and pci-e
<0> but older ones you are right
<0> bbl
<2> yea, my 3 year old board locks the pci and agp clocks
<3> mm
<3> its storming
<2> its just a bad idea to overclock your pci bus
<1> Let me tell you what I'm doing here.
<1> The FSB was 133MHz
<1> Not it's 147MHz
<1> *Now
<2> so?
<2> that has nothing to do with the clock on the pci bus
<1> Idle` needs to do some studying apparently.
<2> uhm, no, you JUST got told theyre locked
<1> Which chipsets?
<2> newer ones... 99% of them
<1> Wrong
<2> you are, yes
<2> on my old p4p800, I have it overclocked from 200 to 220... my PCI bus remains the same
<2> thats an old motherboard
<2> if your overclocking a board where the fsb clock effects the pci clock, you are in for a world of hurt
<1> What do you mean a world of hurt?
<2> PCI devices are designed within very specific tolerances...
<1> It makes no difference because I've manually locked my PCI bus.
<2> the physical junctions in a ttl chip cannot work faster then that
<2> pci-e has more then enough bandwidth to do whatever you want... overclocking it is just stupid
<2> overclock your card, dont overclock your bus
<4> random question: wats the name of the song that goes im tnt im dynamite im tnt and ill win the fight
<2> acdc... tnt I think
<2> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/T-N-T-lyrics-AC-DC/ABFA0F173927086E4825686B000AE243
<1> Once again you fail to grasp that in cases where it's not possible to fix the PCI-E bus at a particular speed, it will increase with a change of the FSB (with certain chipsets.)
<2> with ones you should not be overclocking with
<2> I do grasp that you ****wit
<2> its just a baaaaad idea
<1> Oh, so I'm a "****wit" eh?
<1> Because you don't understand
<2> I do understand
<2> you take me for an idiot, when I'm obviously not
<1> This motherboard isn't old at all.
<2> I understand what your doing, and its a bad bad bad idea
<1> It isn't a bad idea at all.
<1> What the hell are you smoking?
<2> yes it is
<2> do you even understand how logic chips even work?
<2> attempting to run them faster then their design spec never turns out well
<2> _sometimes_ you can do it, usually you cant
<1> I guess that is why so many people are successful with their overclocking projects.
<3> idles a nub
<2> because they leave their PCI bus locked
<1> Gah!!!
<2> there is _absolutely no reason_ to overclock your PCI bus
<1> My PCI bus IS locked.
<2> GOOD
<1> I don't know why you started mentioning it in the first place.
<2> then the difference between the clocks of the geforce and radeon cards on the PCI bus has NO difference
<2> as I ****ing said
<1> Wrong
<1> We're talking about PCI-E
<2> 03:44 < datamaXX> So Radeon PCI-E graphics adapters can run at higher bus speeds than GeForce.
<2> who mentioned it? you did
<3> datamaXX,
<3> ive been overclocking for a long *** time
<3> you leave the pci bus locked
<3> if you oc that
<3> youre just asking for trouble
<1> I will say this one for time.
<3> it has no effect on performance
<1> My PCI bus IS locked.
<3> ok good
<3> leave it like that
<2> :)
<1> What I'm talking about is increasing the FSB speed which also increased the PCI-E
<3> on very old motherboards yes
<1> and SATA
<3> but now you have seperate pci-e and cpu clocks
<2> PCI is the same as PCI-E when overclocking
<3> they dont effect each other
<1> Do very old motherboards feature PCI-E and SATA
<2> yea, it has its own physical clock
<3> no
<3> but they feature pci
<3> which is the same as pci-e
<3> as far as clocks go
<1> Not really
<3> ....
<3> ok do what you wish
<3> i told you what i know
<1> My PCI-E is running at 100MHz, while PCI is at 33MHz
<2> youve heard it from 3 people... continue to believe and do what you wish... but when it stops working, dont complain to me
<1> Idle`: Shut up
<2> my pci is 66mhz.. pci-x
<2> theyre just variations on the same technology
<3> Idle`, just let him think what he wants
<2> just because my p120 and my p4 2.8 runs at different clocks, doesn't make them different instruction sets... theyre both x86
<1> You're both fools.
<3> the pci clock is locked for a REASON
<2> Fidelity: yea
<1> My original point in absolutely correct.
<1> is
<2> yep, and so is mine... that it makes no difference
<1> What makes no difference?
<2> that one runs at a faster bus speed then the other
<1> When did you say that?
<3> were both fools?
<3> ok then leave
<3> why argue with us
<2> just goes to show, that overclockers dont know what theyre doing... 'omg, I can make that clock faster. kekekeke'
<3> get the hell out
<1> Because you're giving me bad info.
<3> just because datamaXX doesnt understand how clock speeds work
<3> dont give oc'ers a bad name
<3> lol
<1> What don't I understand?
<2> Fidelity: true... there are a lot like that tho... sadly :(
<5> opteron @ 3ghz on air FTW.
<5> :D
<2> nice
<1> "That protection limits the overclocking to up to 10% of the standard front side bus clock. This happens because the buses (PCI Express, SATA and the link between the chipsets north and south bridges) use the same clock generator and, hence, their frequencies vary according to the clock used."
<5> my crucial ballistix **** the bed. :P
<5> must of been one of those bad batches floating around last year.
<2> I'm not buying a new machine for quite some time... my p4c 2.8 @ 3.1 is more then enough for me
<3> psh
<3> my a64 4000 is 2.4 running 2.8
<1> So obviously I'm correct in this case.
<1> Don't tell me to get the hell out if you don't know what you're saying.
<2> datamaXX: not from what I read out of that
<3> uhh
<3> what are you talking about
<3> at which point did we indicate that we were wrong
<2> what I read is that they all share a clock for transfer between them... and that says nothing about them using the fsb clock
<1> Have you read what I just pasted?
<2> yes, I did
<1> It applies to my chipset.
<6> wats a good program other than the freedb that will automatically rename and tag ur music?
<2> it says that they can communicate if their clocks are within 10% of each other...
<2> quade1337: amarok does that..
<2> thats not windows tho
<3> idle's a dumb linux nerd
<3> l0l0l0l
<1> It says that the FSB can't be raised beyond much because doing so also increases the speed of PCI-E and SATA
<3> sorry
<6> how about windows?
<2> itunes?
<6> lol
<3> this is gay
<3> why doesnt sli work with cs source
<1> Lets find out if either of you can answer this...
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