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<_mre|666> X2 3800 tho
<flammingo> I dunno what else to say
<_mre|666> works good
<iNToIT> MrBriggs yes, newegg is fast with rma's as long as they have the stock
<flammingo> any x2 under 4400+ is not worh it IMO
<MrBriggs> When you RMA something do you have to pay to ship the defective peice yourself?
<iNToIT> sometimes yes
<flammingo> yup
<iNToIT> depends on how much you bitch
<_mre|666> 3800 is one of the most upgradeable cores
<_mre|666> anyways... we all don't have $800 to buy a cpu
<flammingo> you pay there ---- they pay to ship back
<iNToIT> *most* of the time, I get them to send a prepaid lable :)
<iNToIT> but not always
<flammingo> mre - a fast single core is good
<iNToIT> but I'm a ****nut of a consumer
<iNToIT> they'll do anything to get me off the phone
<flammingo> RMA your motherboard and cpu
<_mre|666> flammingo: a guy on amdgeeks.com oc's a 3800, running stable at 3.7ghz
<flammingo> we could sit here speculating for him
<_mre|666> stock it's 2.0ghz
<flammingo> and talking up a storm
<blanket3> How can you upgrade the X2 3800?
<blanket3> You have to get a nore CPU
<flammingo> 3800 OC good
<flammingo> that's why
<flammingo> but I hate for dual core 512 cache
<_mre|666> yeah... very good
<blanket3> Oh ok.
<blanket3> Cool
<iNToIT> 30 seconds into a convo, I get "ok sir, what exactly do you want us to do?" and I tell them "prepaid lable to RMA my blah blah" "ok sir, let me get this approved" 80 seconds later they confirm my information
<blanket3> How well does it overclock?
<MrBriggs> iNToIT: I'll try that
<_mre|666> blanket3: www.amdgeeks.com
<_mre|666> heh
<MrBriggs> BRB
<blanket3> cool
<blanket3> Thanks
<_mre|666> i'm going to bed guys
<_mre|666> gnight
<iNToIT> *ever*
<iNToIT> now if I've had it for a year... ok.. I don't mind
<jord4385> any luck
<jord4385> Mister Briggs?
<iNToIT> l8r mre
<flammingo> you can either rma it
<flammingo> or think
<flammingo> what is the issue
<iNToIT> flammingo, under his specific circumstances, if the cpu is tested as bad, it's better for him to rma both at the same time
<iNToIT> if the cpu tests good, then just the mobo
<flammingo> spend more time thinking while you could started
<iNToIT> granted, its a headache for the vendor
<iNToIT> but that'
<iNToIT> err that's not his problem
<flammingo> see his motherboard could be picky, his psu could be bad, his cpu a pin could not be registering, something on the motherboard is not registering to the ram
<iNToIT> he used 2 different PSU's
<flammingo> there is already a few things now combine them up and you got tons of possbilities
<iNToIT> and he's getting the CPU tested
<iNToIT> no matter how it plays out, he'll be getting the mobo RMA's
<iNToIT> the question is if he's getting the CPU rma'd or not
<iNToIT> (unless he has an opportunity to test the mobo in a different system.. which he doesn't at this time)
<EneergE> hey
<EneergE> how much money do programmers normally get per sale when the program they made is sold
<EneergE> what kind of percentage?
<iNToIT> it all depends on their individual business savvy or who ever brokers their contract
<iNToIT> there is no set standard
<iNToIT> software publishers would like people to think there is
<EneergE> is it normally high or low
<iNToIT> too many factors..
<iNToIT> do the publishers require further interaction with the developer?
<iNToIT> Are they buying the app wholesale or just licensing it from the developer?
<iNToIT> there are so many factors, it would be absolutely unfair to you to answer, as there is no real answer without further detail and comparison to potentially similar situatrions
<EneergE> iNToIT: the deal is were starting a team of developers for making business management software. i'm trying to determine the commission i should give the developers for each sell
<iNToIT> for example.. many game developers will sell a completed game with a contract for patches and such for $200k
<EneergE> we're
<iNToIT> whereas a database developer will sell a dbms package for $12k plus $80k/yr support services and licensing
<iNToIT> it's just so varied.l
<iNToIT> well
<iNToIT> from an investor/management standpoint..
<iNToIT> You want to maintain the developers interest in potential patches, upgrades, further development..etc while paying them as little as possible to increase profits
<iNToIT> So you have to determine how your relationship with each developer stands
<iNToIT> and how you are reselling the software
<EneergE> say the application is 3000$ and you give them 30% of each sale
<iNToIT> are YOU licensing it from the developer?
<iNToIT> are you keeping the copyright and selling licenses to the customers?
<EneergE> i will own the copyright/patent
<iNToIT> will your customers require further development from YOUR developers?
<EneergE> not really the whole things open source
<EneergE> sort of
<iNToIT> remember, if the developer isn't being paid enough, a customer can simply offer them more $ to work for them directly
<iNToIT> 30% of $3k doesn;t sound unreasonable, given that you are likely investing in sales, advertising and other expenses
<iNToIT> are these developers also on the payroll?
<EneergE> yeah
<iNToIT> or do they JUST get the commission?
<iNToIT> ok
<EneergE> nah
<iNToIT> then 30% of the sale is very good
<EneergE> that would **** for them if nothing was sold
<EneergE> ok
<iNToIT> I would do it this way..
<EneergE> -a 900 $
<iNToIT> "we have expenses to cover. $500 per sale until we reach a break even point on development. Then we'll increase commisions to 30% per sale"
<iNToIT> 'scuse the typos
<EneergE> sounds exactly like something that'll i'll do :)
<iNToIT> make sure that selling the package at $3k works for you
<iNToIT> I advise more than anything.. giving your developers an introduction to marketing. Especially the product life cycle.
<iNToIT> let them understand the expenses the company has in getting the product out the door, up to the point that it becomes profitable.
<iNToIT> it's something most developers don't understand, and they begin to think "I made this" and "I should earn everything"
<iNToIT> When they have no idea what the expenses involved in legal negotiations, advertising, mainataining a business..etc are
<EneergE> not to mention i will be allowing them to advertise their name/business within the program as long as its not competing
<EneergE> hmm
<iNToIT> That way, when they see $500, they understand it's a significant piece of the pie for people getting a salary
<iNToIT> and they will feel as if they are profit sharing when you increase the commission to 30% ($900) when you break even
<iNToIT> and more than anything, if you have to change your pricing structure.. it'll be easier for them to deal with that too
<iNToIT> for example, selling the product for $50 and selling a support contract for $9000
<iNToIT> (and not getting a support contract for every sale)
<iNToIT> educated employees are more stable employees. You shake out the ones who are intolerant of change and have too much self pride or ambition
<iNToIT> and you keep the ones who are capable of working within anothers management
<iNToIT> most would rather say "i know my job, I don't care what yours is, but you owe me everything."
<iNToIT> educating them in what is involved in running your business lends to "oh, well.. then if I do *THIS* I can benefit the company, leading to a better revenue stream for the company, and eventuall a better career for me"
<iNToIT> </end?
<JRWR> how do i unlock a laptop HD, its a Fojitsu
<JRWR> Fujitsu
<iNToIT> unlock in which manner
<iNToIT> there are various ways a drive can be locked
<JRWR> well it was "p***worded" in the BIOS of my compaq
<JRWR> it died
<JRWR> i forget the p***word
<iNToIT> is the drive itself p***word protected, or the bios?
<JRWR> drive
<flybackII> only wany you can unlock it
<flybackII> if you don't hve the p***word
<flybackII> is to do security erase command
<JRWR> how?
<JRWR> it wont even go into the BIOS with this HD in it
<flybackII> it erases all data
<JRWR> dam ibm
<flybackII> did you have anything on it
<JRWR> i guess, nothing i want
<iNToIT> just how dead is the drive? does it not spin up at all?
<flybackII> wtf did you set a p***word for
<flybackII> idiot
<JRWR> it ASKS for the p***word
<JRWR> i used that laptop alot, and even at school
<JRWR> and well, it had p0rn on it :P!
<JRWR> shutdown!
<flybackII> then you should hav freaking remebered it
<JRWR> lol
<JRWR> this was a year ago
<flybackII> cause ibm has adertised for yrs
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