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<0> it's not worth it if you have no computer background
<1> Explain please
<0> the majority of the problems i fix on the network is not because of what i learned during the mcse
<0> it is through personal experience
<2> mcse?
<2> bwahahah
<0> basically if you **** at hardware, you're going to have a rough time maintaining and expanding networks
<2> I would never get mcse
<1> Yeah well, I do 'work' with computers for 4 years now, more than 10 hours a day :P And I'm being quick on the uptake, and of course I love what I do and I'm not doing it to get a job or something
<0> professional or hobbyist?
<3> http://www.fourmilimails.com/pages/promotion.php?pseudo=sunshine88 make money the easy way...
<1> Not proffessional I'd say
<2> selling your body on the street corner, Legollas ?
<0> professional means you get paid to do it
<0> and you do it regularly
<1> Then no, I have never worked in a company or something, I'm only 18 Clocker
<0> thats cool, when i was 18, i was selling credit cards over the telephone
<1> Hehe :)
<0> you have to work your way up
<0> i mean, you dont start off in engineering, you have to earn it
<2> when I was 18, I was working building a custom lab automation system over the summer, and going back to college in the fall
<1> I know dude, my dream is to work with computers when I'm older, my life = Computers! :)
<0> meh, it's ok
<2> enter my life ... :P
<0> i work partime at a computer store
<0> it gets old fixing people's computers all the time
<4> That's why I didn't go for a Major degree in computer tech science
<4> :P
<2> store? ouch
<2> Akuma^: major degree?
<2> like, masters?
<4> Any degree
<5> as opposed to minor
<1> Clocker yeah but it does give you experience right?
<0> of course but i'm far beyond that needing experience part
<2> I got an applied bachelors... everyone I seem to know is doing a masters...
<2> I feel left out...
<1> You, not me :)
<0> i do it for the girls and the eq at cost factor
<4> Reason why I didn't go for a masters degree in Computer science
<0> there are a couple of cute girls that work at the shop
<2> I know I'm better then them... hands down, no contest... but theyll make more $$ then me
<4> Reason why I'm taking small courses intead eher and there... :)
<2> Akuma^: what about a bachelors degree?
<4> Small course sin Computer tech cl***es
<5> Akuma^: Why not do CSE then?
<4> No way in hell man
<2> :)
<0> education doesnt guarantee you money or a job
<4> I'm sticking to my PhD in Physiology
<2> Clocker: sure it does
<0> lots of people come out and they're as stupid as a rock
<4> No way in hell I'm goi g to trash all that for stupid computers
<2> Clocker: I know a lot of those people...
<5> Clocker: It gives you better odds
<1> You think I should take a PC technician course before I do MCSE or anything like that? Clocker
<2> sadly, makes it hard for me to get in the door
<4> Clocker: No, ut it guarantees that you're not a stupid ****.
<0> you will get an education and if you cant apply what you know, you're ****ed
<6> lots of stupid ****s in IT
<5> Right, but I've seen lots of morons get hired for IT depts..
<6> filup: and quickly fired for being morons
<0> well, it depends on your pay scale
<2> Akuma^: uhm, well... I know a few people who went through a bachelors degree in networking, and dont even know how to set a default gateway, or even an IP, on a cisco IOS device
<6> doing something stupid
<5> true, but hired nontheless ;)
<4> I'd go an education here solely for teh chicks
<4> :P
<0> i mean, i came out first year into engineering and i'm floating around low 40k right now
<1> Dude, wow :)
<5> Not bad for a start
<0> when i was going for jobs, the competition was really stiff
<1> You are making me jealous :)
<6> low 40k is entry level... same you'll see in low IT
<0> yeah, it's going to elevate to 75k in 4 years
<2> my first job I was making 50$/hour... now I'm making **** all
<6> nice
<0> well i work for the government eh?
<0> so my job is guaranteed
<6> that's a job with potential
<6> :P
<6> and benefits
<2> yea, I could never work for the govt
<0> yeah, the whole shabang
<6> govt is hard to work for tho
<0> it's hard to get in
<6> i got a friend of mine that works for a govt contractor
<4> My worst nightmare would be to have computers as emplyee comrades
<1> Clocker Well what do you think buddy, I should wait before I start studyin it? (MCSE), in what age did you start your MCSE cl***?
<6> they always have their thumb over his head
<0> i did my mcse at 22
<0> i just finished my technician at college and iwas looking to upgrade
<1> OK so I'm not old yet :)
<0> shaye, it just depends on where you want to go
<0> i mean education will only get you so far
<0> i know people who have degrees and they make ****all
<2> yea
<0> and then i know other people who dont have post-secondary and make more than me
<2> but degrees get you in the door
<0> the problem is that people just sit there and focuss on getting degrees
<0> and neglect the fact to get any work experience period
<2> you can be the best in the field, and make **** all because of the elitest ****wads who do the hiring, who believe you need formal education to be 'good' at anything
<0> they seem to think that cuz they'll have a degree, they dont need any sort of work experience
<0> which is the wrong approach, i mean, get what you can while you learn
<2> yea, I know the types
<0> when you have references and the education, then you're all hooked up
<0> if you have education and no work experience, you're pretty much useless to anyone
<1> Well, I love what I do, and I almost love everything that it's Computers related, so I guess I will be able to fit in the the "Computers world" one day :)
<0> you havent developed basic skills like communication and problem solving
<0> if you want to do it, then do it
<0> i mean, people who make their work their p***ion often suceed, it's the one who sit there and get an education just for the sake of saying they have a piece of paper
<0> those guys are usually the ones that get ****ed
<0> time and time again, i've had to prove myself better than others
<7> at what?
<0> i had to beat out 30 people for my job here at hydro
<2> Clocker: paper tigers
<7> spamming the **** out of the channel
<0> not even just paper, you have to show you've actually done something
<0> outside of school
<0> it's like you get an education and they look at you, that's great, i have 20 other guys who have the same education as you
<2> Clocker: my last job had 70+ applicants... a lot of cl***mates, and whatnot... I didn't even apply, or send in a resume, and I got hired on
<0> now what have you done with this knowledge
<0> idle: did you know someone in the biz?
<1> Clocker can I ask, in what age did you start "siting" infront of the computer, if you know what I mean
<0> i started on computers when i was 10
<2> sorta... was a reference
<2> same with this job
<2> cept this one wasn't paying anything at all
<0> idle: i've had to plow through the competition
<1> And when it became more serious?
<0> to get the job i have now
<0> if you know someone, it's easier but not always guaranteed
<2> I find the better jobs, not necessarily pay wise, are found via contacts
<1> It's the best to get things yourself imho :P
<2> Shaye: no, its not
<0> heh, yeah, separate yourself from the pack
<0> and you'll be high in demand
<0> right now because i have a hybrid education between electrical and computer networks
<2> I look like **** next to a few cl***mates who have CCNA, and CCNP, and CCDA.... yet, I blow them away, hands down, no competition
<0> i work on a lot of automated processes
<2> Shaye: to say they deserve it more, is blatently wrong
<0> well, cisco is more connectivity
<1> ;)
<2> yep
<0> then again, as i had mentioned before, it's not what you know but what you can do
<2> I can do a lot
<2> even instructors at my college were asking ME how to do things...
<0> education is only a tool
<2> I'm less then half their age
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