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<0> it's not really hard but you have to have to really read the book and know what's going on
<1> only read one book
<2> thats why I broke away from geek squad charge a little more for service.....free pick up and delivery.....but you get your computer back the same day
<0> it's more time than anything
<1> on computers
<1> huge tho
<2> MCSE it is than
<0> mcse is something good to have
<1> really u think so
<0> yes, it costed me 10k to get my mcse
<1> i should get that
<0> and you're spending 10 on just two cisco certs
<2> im going for my ccna
<1> what should i get the mcse instead
<0> ccna itself should cost you like 2-3k at most to take it
<1> is what your saying



<0> it's only 1 test, the unit is one month long
<0> yes
<0> mcse comes before learning cisco
<2> why?
<0> cisco is specific to network connectivity
<2> yes
<2> thats what I need
<0> mcse actually shows you how to connect things in a basic manner
<0> and how to specifically configure it
<3> ccna is where i'm headed
<3> mcse is a waste of my time
<0> it just depends on what your field is
<2> but I know that by working on 2000 servers for the school dept for the past 5 years
<3> but that's a personal thing based on my personal choice in the kind of job i want
<2> i need to learn cisco better
<2> Network admin
<0> at work, i have to do things like deploying antiviruses, network shares, etc
<3> i dont play on dealing with MS based servers in my job positions
<2> small to medium
<0> so mcse is a good thing for me
<2> samba
<3> so a MS cert is time and money better used for something else
<0> mcse is small to medium businesses
<0> there are some large corp ones too but they usually resort to large unix and linux systems
<2> ok
<2> yea
<0> linux usually takes over the database area
<2> hense IBM
<2> Samba is huge in my school dept
<2> for file sharing
<1> know of anybooks i should read triumph
<3> its actually surprising how many large companies are using windows servers
<1> dell does i believe heh
<3> mainly so they can hire retards to be the DBAs and such
<1> kuragari
<0> yeah i worked in power generation and they used an enterprise windows network
<1> know of any books i should read as far as networking
<1> anything useful
<3> i worked for Harley Davidson, their entire datacenter is windows besides 2 unix systems
<0> did you get discounts on their bikes?
<2> Im a linux buff myself, but if im going to get paid more to work on an OS as easy to me at least as windows, I'll go for that
<1> really me dad has a harley davidson its awesome
<3> the one here anyways, their main center in chicago maybe different
<1> in reno
<0> you have to know some kind of os on top of cisco curry
<3> triumph, i would have if they hadn't canceled my contract right before christmas
<3> bastards
<0> whether it's linux or windows or else you're up the creek w/o a paddle
<0> harley has nice bikes
<1> ok but whats some good books to help with learning an os
<1> i think i have a good knowledge of windows os's
<3> i dont read IT books
<1> what do u do then
<4> i tryed learning C++ from a book
<1> pull knowledge out your ***
<4> it did not work
<1> heh
<1> ok i see why
<3> i learn by experience
<1> i tried to
<4> so do i



<1> figure that
<1> hands on
<1> is always a better way of learning
<1> or someone reading to me
<0> well when you're dealing with possibly millions of dollars of damage
<1> :)
<2> hand on.....agreed
<0> you kinda want to do the book work ahead of time
<0> :)
<1> yeah
<4> only thing i can do is take 2 libs and make a program
<1> thats y name some good books
<4> like PNG 2 GiF converter
<0> i read the sybex series
<0> look up mcse
<2> ive had 11 years of expierence with unix/linux, and 15 with MS
<3> curry256, find books that are specificly for the certs you want
<0> you can download that stuff from those file sharing programs
<0> print out the book
<2> so im good, i just need my certs
<3> like "mcse prep" or whatever
<1> i have the a+ cert book
<0> bigs: i would recommend to you, getting the testkings
<1> helps but thats the most basic book ever
<3> its also the most basic cert
<0> and go over questions, if you dont knwo what they're talking about, just learn specifically about that one thing
<3> so that makes sense
<1> yeah i guess so heh
<1> lol
<0> cuz there is a lot of crap they test you on which you may never use
<0> when you take a training course like mcse, they go into a lot of detail
<2> a+ isnt worth anything except mabey to geeksquad or compusa, cause if you have ur MCSE of CCNA they automatically ***ume you know how to build a computer and what parts do
<1> hey what was the answer to the first question asked me triumph
<0> that ip question?
<1> yeah
<3> big,s that's partly true
<3> but for someone like him, he should start with a+
<2> dont get me wrong get it, its cheap
<0> keeping it simple
<1> ok
<2> true
<3> get a+, get the geek squad job, use that experience to build upto ccna/nsce
<1> to me kuragari
<0> create an ip scope of however many ips you need indicating the subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
<3> yes
<0> in the dhcp server
<0> thats probably one of the most basic concepts of networking
<1> is that it
<0> yup
<1> damn i was close
<0> no you werent :)
<1> just didnt feel like looking like an idiot
<1> no seriously
<1> u lost me on one part
<1> whats a 24 bit suppose to mean i knew what the mask was
<0> if you know what it is, how many connections can you have with a 24 bit mask?
<1> alot
<1> heh
<3> 24!
<0> lol
<3> :P
<1> well
<1> seriously
<1> tho
<1> ok so im guessing there is a higher bit
<1> then correct
<0> curry: try network+
<1> like 36
<1> i have that book
<0> that'll give ya a start at networking concepts
<1> but seriously
<1> why is it 24
<1> not 1
<1> or 1000000


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