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<0> AaronWL: yes
<1> you just copy new kernel and reboot
<1> in lilo, no so
<2> hmm.. so how is the bootloader updated?
<1> i dunno
<2> or does the bootloader know how to parse your fs or something?
<1> it just is
<1> magic
<1> i dunno
<2> it must be able to read the fs
<2> lilo does some fs-invasive stuff too, but only when you run lilo.. not at boot afaik.
<1> lilo is more stupid
<1> grub is smarter
<1> but for tiny installations, lilo is ok
<2> i dont really remember why im using lilo other than that ive been using it forever.. when i first set up this server system, i think maybe grub did not support reiserfs, but lilo did.
<3> sorry for all these constant terminal switches
<3> im currently copying the files from my family computer onto my linux computer
<2> i dont run desktop pc, but i dont know how anything could be specificalyl better than lilo for my server needs.
<1> when you frequently change kernels, as i do, grub is better
<2> theres really not all that much i need from a boot loader.. it needs to be interruptable, p***word protect, be able to p*** parameters, pick different kernels, etc
<0> the bottom line is that if you're using somethign that works, there's no reason to change
<2> well, i am curious how grub could be better for this use case?
<1> in the end, 'l' in the lilo stands for 'little'
<1> little loader
<0> grub gives you an interactive ui if you need it. don't remember if lilo does that
<1> little smallbrain loader
<0> you can inspect your boot partition, etc
<3> my family computer is totally messed up, so i used a bootdisk version of linux to get the files off by ftp'ing it to my linux computer. the old monitor im using is messed up (doesn't show the color green) and is very very blurry, so im having the X display of the Konquer window on my linux computer so that my dad can see it properly (he's got bad eyesight)
<3> that's the beauty of X :-)
<2> myrddin, inspect in what way?
<2> farhan, sounds like you need a networked fs =)
<3> AaronWL : yeah, i tried that, but i decided that this would be mcuh easier
<3> i really don't wanna deal with all that crap
<2> ive used grub before.. it pretty.. afaik that is the main reason to use it.
<0> AaronWL: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
<2> i suspect that since grub and lilo are mutally exclusive (or can they be chained?) it is a religious issue
<4> Someone just said I had mental issues.
<2> ok, thats a good summary
<0> but to just stop using lilo 'because' is silly. if it's working for you and you like it, rock on.
<2> yeah, the reasons there aren't compelling for my particular use case, particularly as the major disadvantage (reinstalling lilo on new kernel) is handled by 'make install' anyhow.
<2> i usually type 'lilo' again just to get the satisfaction of executing it manually :)
<0> hehe
<2> i am curious about the networking part though.. grub has a ethernet driver etc?
<0> I've never investigated that end of it, so, not sure
<2> if it did, it opens the possibility to being able to have a networked console, something i'd really really like to have.
<3> damn jumper settings on my harddrive
<0> it must have an ability to compile a network driver into it
<3> its so freakin confusing
<2> this serious console just kills me.
<2> serial
<0> farhan: just snap off all the jumpers and be done with them
<3> all?
<3> it'll automatically "know" ?
<2> farhan, use cable select :P
<3> what's cable select?
<2> if your ide cable was made in the past three decades, and it says 'master' for one connector and 'slave' for the other, you can use cable select.
<3> i wish there was a way to automatically send an X display from one X server to another, or to send a program from one terminal to another without the program knowing about it
<3> that would make things a lot easier for me
<2> you select the 'cable select' jumper on all of your drives, and then just connect them normally. the one connectyed to master will be master, and slave slave.
<5> vnc.
<2> id be happy with the equivilent of 'screen' for X
<2> like a rootless Xnest that was detachable.
<6> farhan, no I didn't. make sure yours isn't the version 5. it doesn't have space for the images that are available
<6> if you try to put one of them on it it will die
<5> vncserver.
<7> **** **** ****
<7> I forgot how to breathe
<2> right, but vnc isnt an exact analogue of X forwarding
<7> now I'm choking on my coke
<2> X forwarding would be ideal, if it actually worked.
<2> imo x forwarding is one of the major places X coulda ctually be worth all of the crap that it is
<2> too bad it ****s in practice most of the time
<8> i wish X could proxy, redirect, resync and detach connections.
<2> eg, inavailibility of Xnests that do cool things as mentioned, round-trip times that make it impossible to use X forwarding over the internet unless you're insane, etc.
<8> i've been debating designing a new system using x11 as a model but can do this. stuff like xmove doesn't work too well (i'm sorry to say)
<9> OrngeTide: You can with VNC as an indirection.
<8> vnc is horrible
<8> i do GLX over remote terminals.
<2> vnc seems inferior to something native, particularly if you want to optimise for the local display case.
<8> RDP/Windows Terminal server works so much better than VNC. as does Sun Ray
<2> what is sun ray?
<5> most x clients wouldn't be happy if the abilities of the server changed radically.
<8> it's a thin client by Sun. it's state-less unlike most thin clients.
<8> you just drop a smartcard into it and you'r instantly attached to your desktop. you rip out the card and go to a different thinclient and you're right where you left off.
<2> Jun 26 20:11:05 cruppie kernel: ***: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel
<2> apparently, *** is tainting my kernel
<8> twkm, GLX is proof that X11 can handle significant additions.
<4> I don't need a card that is smarter than me.
<8> XPS is proove that X11 sometimes doesn't handle the additional gracefully
<5> OrngeTide: after the client has connected to the server?
<8> twkm, yea.
<5> yeah, but all the rays have a similar basic set of abilities.
<8> you negotiate GLX stuff on demand. so you can connect. setup windows and then ask for GLX. you could get rejected and ask for something else instead. (like that PEM thing)
<2> regarding changing capabilities, i think you'd just have to stick with a least common denominator.. or emulation.. but this would be fine imo.
<2> this is essentially what a rootless Xnest does anyway.
<8> twkm, a ray is truely an appliance. it doesn't have any performance metrics, any standard cpu, etc. all rays are the same, even if they use different cpus and designs internally.
<8> sun makes a dual-head Sun Ray though. which is kind of neat. two highres flatpanel displays. (DVI)
<6> I bet he's killed that router
<7> this is ****ing great
<7> I just inhaled coke, now it's dribbling out of my sinuses, I'm crying, and all I can smell is warm sugary puke
<8> AaronWL, translating pixel encodings has been shown to not be all that difficult. that prometheus true color library that game out years ago proved that it could be done in real time.
<8> so really a display should just say "I'm natively F format, but i support A-Z formats"
<7> OrageTide: Can I have a hug? :(
<8> and for network connections you could have it lie. say it's BGR232 format for certain clients
<8> zid`, no. why?
<7> ok
<8> i've been seriously considering making an windowing system with PDF-like drawing capabilities (kind of Quartz-oriented, but not necessarily Quartz-only). probably use RPC or some modified form for the protocol. since it can handle asynchronous errors extremely easily.
<8> zid`, what's wrong?
<7> I inhaled coke
<8> ow
<6> nasty
<10> haha
<8> i think i'm going to go get some coke or dr.pepper.
<7> dr pepper
<7> it rawks
<10> my friend just sat here trying to justify to me sending his iPod in to get replaced when he threw it in the washing machine
<10> im like you don't need to justify to me why you're scamming Apple.. just do it
<10> i hope they replace it..
<6> I haven't had a problem with stuff since I sneezed once with a mouthfull of it :(
<10> "I'm NOT scamming them! don't call me a scamming jew!"
<6> it doesn't do your nose any good
<10> im like hey let's not beat around the bush, you are scamming them.. good luck I hope they replace it
<8> I *love* RPC. but i really only like rpcgen from ONC TI-RPC, not the old rpcgen from sunrpc. (glibc includes the nicer rpcgen that supports reentrant code, but BSD ships with old sunrpc).
<7> I was trying to finish the last swig of coke in my bottle in one go
<7> and a bit slipped down my throat.. into my lungs
<7> so I'm sitting there with a mouth FULL of coke, unable to breathe
<11> zid`: I hate it when that happens :(
<7> trying not to throw up
<11> mostly it happens with cookie crumbs and dry itchy **** like that to me though
<7> I got most of it down before I started to cry
<6> funny you can still type
<8> rpc kind of wastes 8 bytes a packet too. but i suppose that's not a terrible waste. i was thinking if i wrote a networkable game I'd use rpc. although i haven't figure out a clean way to drop packets in rpc.
<11> jeffloc: recuperation
<8> if it was up to me DNS would be written in RPC too. ehhe
<8> you then get all sorts of nifty authentication stuff for free, if you want to do authenticated DNS. otherwise it's just really simple.
<8> i dislike portmap though.
<8> most portmap implementations have pretty useless security controls (either all or nothing)
<2> besides lighter weight, is there any reason to prefer RPC over a full-fledged network-capable ORB?
<2> (not that im convinced rpc is really light-weight to begin with..)
<8> rpc is simplier, it doesn't force you to use an object model. and offers many of the same benefits.
<8> sunrpc is extremely light weight.
<8> you could implement something like ORB ontop of sunrpc easily. although if you really need all ORB features then you should just use CORBA or whatever.
<8> but really these things are two different solutions to two different problems.
<8> oh RPC supports stateless designs, where as an ORB really doesn't.
<8> you can kind of do stateless in CORBA though.
<8> i don't know of any ORBs other than CORBA.
<8> there are a lot of "RPCs" but when I say RPC I specifically mean sun/onc RPC.
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