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<0> Well, only times I've used ant, I had to manually edit XML files
<1> it's baed on xml, how can't it be a panacea
<2> k, i actually have to go get my gigE lab setup for more testing of this driver
<2> later all, i might waste time on here later
<3> ant takes forever to run
<0> and XML was never really intended to be edited by humans
<0> but I guess ant is great for huge java apps
<3> with XSLT you could translate your ant rules into a pretty webpage:P
<1> i tried a-a-a, it's based on pythod, has some good ideas
<3> ant's real power is that it can run cl*** files.
<1> s/a-a-a/a-a-p
<3> scons is pretty good too. also based on python.
<3> but writing new rules in scons is kind of painful compared to Jam and Make
<3> jam forces you to know what a DAG is though.
<4> SgtUnix, MakeNG works /really/ well, and it's cross compatable with normal makefiles, but the script system that supports all the functionality is both fragile and unmaintainable.
<4> SgtUnix, though I might write something to manage it for me someday, though I'm more likely to reimplement it in lua.
<4> the fragility doesn't matter much because no one in their sane mind ever edits it, but... :)
<5> http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.sh.pl.tcl.cpp.bf.py.c.lhs.html.txt - now with experimental HTML support!
<3> Gambit-, oh. btw. i wrote a tiny start of that think in lua. it's like two lua functions and it doesn't do anything. but it prints out depedencies.
<4> OrngeTide, cool :)
<6> mauke: Rename it .txt.html :)
<5> there's a symlink called poly.html in the same directory
<7> hah
<3> Gambit-, http://orangetide.com/temp/yam/ .. look at base.yam and Yamfile
<4> whats yam?
<3> yet another make
<4> how's it look?
<3> jam == just another make
<3> plus i think yams are cool:)
<4> oh, that's what you wrote
<3> and you can say YAMMIT
<3> YAMMIT ALL TO YELL
<3> is it ill or is it whack?
<4> that's so whack
<3> Gambit-, well i encourage you do make something better
<3> s/do/to
<4> eheh
<4> well i've got this mud thing i'm working on right now
<3> you need a build tool for it, don't you?
<3> depend ({"yam"}, {"yam.c", "interp.c"}) .. that seems nice to me. i dunno
<4> I already have makeng, I'm stealing a lot of source from mana-redux
<4> what's depend supposed to do?
<3> there is gnustep-make too.
<3> Gambit-, that creates a depedency.
<3> it will eventually sniff the extensions to figure out what action would be ran.
<3> or you could manually set the actions.
<4> oh i see
<4> i like the makeng perspective a little better, define packages and then enter or exit them and add source files to the package
<3> and target("yam") would try and follow all the depencies necessary for "yam"
<4> it's nice to keep some of the command line conventions people are familiar with, after all, which makeng manages to pull off.
<4> I just wish the makecode wasn't so scary-ugly...
<3> well this doesn't have any of those features, yet. i just want it to perform actions. packages and things could be done the same as they are in Jam. you create a dependency whose rule is to read in the file.
<4> have fun, I'm sure it'll work well for you :)
<3> Gambit-, yea. Jam just does action Whatever { .. shell code here .. }
<4> well that's all an action basically is, it's a function that takes one or more inputs and produces one or more outputs :)
<3> i'm going to use lua functions instead of fancy parameters to variables like jam and make use though.
<3> like to get the base name, extension, strip off things, replace things, etc.
<8> i have a string in C, i want to make sure it matches the form of an IP address... such as x.x.x.x ... how can i test for this?
<3> Gambit-, yea. so in Jam you have rule Something { Whatever $(<) : $(>) ; } and it sets action on the input $(<) and gives it the paremters for output $(>) .. when the entire graph is built then it runs actions to resolve things.
<3> gnychis, please don't.
<3> please use inet_pton() or inet_aton()
<3> because x.x.x.x is not the only valid form for an ip.
<3> 10.1 is the same as 10.0.0.1 for example
<3> 0x0a00001 is also a valid ip.
<9> ehhh
<8> OrngeTide: i'm parsing a text file and they are all in x.x.x.x format
<3> gnychis, then use scanf or write your own parsing function. or be lazy and use inet_pton which is already written for you.
<10> depends where you are ... some os libs get it wrong
<8> what about regular expression?
<3> ack, yes. like you said. they are WRONG
<3> NT, BSD, Linux, Solaris, Cisco IOS, etc. have it right.
<10> 2130706433 is also a valid ip address
<3> 013.0177.0.1 is legal too
<3> 0b1010000000000000000000000001 is not legal though
<3> which is a shame. i like 0b binary.
<10> specifying ipv6 addresses in binary would be untenable
<3> 4)+k&C#VzJ4br>0wv%Yp is a valid IPv6 address..
<3> my ping utility doesn't recognize it. i'm guessing RFC1924 is not widely implemented.
<6> Which base is that?
<3> base85
<11> Gorram laptop.
<3> what?
<11> Gorram Apple =(
<11> Gorram Firefly making me say gorram =(
<3> ohh.. i totally missed the firefly reference.
<12> too bad they cancelled it after one season :(
<4> OrngeTide, Yeah, wlel, we'll see how it goes :)
<3> Gambit-, have you seen firefly?
<3> jeffloc, where they kept renewing Friends until they were all grand parents.
<3> i'm sure. firefly is just a fun little scifi show. but it has m***ively more artistic value than Friends.
<12> and what crap that was! at least firefly was interesting
<11> jeffloc: Yeah =/
<3> yea. and now people are popping wood over American Idol.
<3> come on. it's a ****ing remake of star search
<11> I don't get that show
<3> at least on star search you could find some cute little kid tap dancing or something.
<12> the difference is the judges are supposed to abuse the contestants
<3> yea. what's so entertaining about watching people hurt people's feelings?
<12> they have that crap here too
<3> and singing isn't all that amazing. any healthy person can sign well with some training.
<6> OrngeTide: That the contestants know that's why they're there, and still they cry.
<3> i mean singing is great because it's an instrument you can take with you whereever you go.
<3> but without training most of us simply can't sing.
<6> Nor can the majority of Idol participants.
<12> because the bull**** box is run by perverts
<3> yea. they are all ammatures. drop the $80-100 on singing lessons. BFD
<3> jeffloc, exactly.
<12> they don't want good shows
<3> i use my TV set as a display for my DVD player.
<12> they want to give us crap
<3> i never saw firefly until it hit DVD.
<3> i saw 1 episode of battlestar galactica on TV before I bought the DVDs and watched it properly.
<6> Lucky Number Slevin is great, BTW:
<3> i suspect when IPTV matures that the way TV shows are done is totally going to change.
<4> OrngeTide, No, but afk going to drop connection for abit
<3> Gambit-, seeya. you should watch firefly
<12> OrngeTide, it might if the pricks don't have a monopoly on it too
<3> i like tv shows where you learn something.
<4> OrngeTide, Already getting jaxx or whatever on your recommendation, and I've got a lot of bsg episodes to watch :)
<4> afk for 10 m
<3> like i watch pbs, discovery, tlc, history channel, nasa tv, etc. not that i watch more than maybe an average of a half hour of tv a day.
<3> jeffloc, IPTV is really hard to have a monopoly on.
<3> because anyone can publish content with IPTV. you can start your own indepedent channels and add them to an aggregators list for almost no cost.
<3> so a cable company would offer 10,000 channels and you'd just search for the thigns you want. if you're pushing something someone wants then you're supposed to get paid for it.
<13> Is there a function like popen() but I want to have biderictional stream, so I can write to and read from executed program
<3> it ****s in once sense because with IPTV many things will be pay-per-view or subscription based. but the advantage is that cable tv companies become mostly broadband internet providers.
<3> I_v0, you have to use pipe() and dup2() and exec and fork() and wait() or waitpid() yourself
<3> and fdopen might be useful if you want to use fprintf with it
<3> i wish fdprintf was standard posix.
<13> OrngeTide omg... ok thanks
<3> basically you get to write what popen() does by hand if you want bidirectional i/o. you create two pipes instead of one. and do the fork and exec
<13> mhm
<13> ok, seems simple in theory
<9> question, is there a way to "guarantee" a flush to disk? if i do a write to a file, and then flush(fid), sometimes the write is still buffered.... aside from fclose/fopen... this is solaris btw
<13> Kardos wait 4 secs
<9> say i update about 30 times a minute
<13> Kardos then wait after exiting
<1> Kardos: fflush(fp); flush(filenp(fp)); -- guaranteed
<9> filenp?
<1> fileno
<14> why it is not recommended to use label/goto statements in c?
<1> wait, somthing is wrong
<9> ok, thanks
<1> it's gotta be: fflush(fp); fsync(fileno(fp));
<1> ^Kardos
<12> OrngeTide, they'll find a way.
<9> aha, fsync
<9> alrighty, i shall try, thx
<12> likely the governments will set up some licensing scheme, so only the pricks get licensed
<1> [E]dvinas: because if you can do it without goto, it's better to do it without goto
<12> another of the many ways they serve the cl*** of wealth and greed
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