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<0> orngetide: everyone knows 9/11 was a conspiracy.
<1> CStubing, well they operate mostly indepedently.
<2> linus__^: friend and friend. I think he cut those ties years ago
<1> if it was about oil, then that's silly. because the US and Western Europe have been stealing and extorting oil from the middle east successfully for decades.
<1> maybe it's the 9 jew bankers trying to get the world to kill all the arabs.
<2> invading afghanistan didn't exactly give them anything
<2> if it was all oil they would have gotten for saddam in the first place
<1> exactly.
<3> i dont think they cannot catch bin laden, but they DON'T WANT to catch him :)
<1> and honestly. if you want oil. you should invade kuwait or saudi arabia.
<4> Eplebit: do you know about the natural gas pipeline deal in afghanistan?
<1> or canada. canada has lots of fossil fuels to take
<2> saudi arabia is nearly colapsing. they could just have pulled a few ropes here and there, there would have been a civil war, and the us could march in and sace the country
<2> save
<1> i think it's easier to get oil when there are people to work at them rather than people running around starving and shoot one another
<4> linus__^: I agree.. I think they're all actors in a big jolly play for the m***es.. we've got to have that villain, and whaddayaknow, he's related to the saudi royal family



<3> well
<3> they've killed Alzarkawi, found Saddam, why not bin laden?
<3> bin laden is not invisible, superman, or such
<2> I think finding saddam was a bit easier :)
<3> :P
<3> Eplebit: really you think usa goes in arabia saudi for save them?
<3> :(
<2> I don't know if they can at the moment...
<3> Eplebit: usa is in arabia for the petroil
<3> :)
<2> but considering how friendly they are with the bosses there at the moment, them just sitting there and waiting for them to be overthrown seems a bit odd...
<3> there are many countries which have civil war, like Ireland some years ago, or Serbia, or such..
<3> so, why usa is only in arabia?
<3> and other countries? simple: there isn't petroil there:)
<2> probably
<5> there's lot more petroleum in venezuela than arabia, why aren't we there
<3> because in venezuela petroleum is not used by Sceics
<2> venezuela produces a hell of a lot of oil
<3> well
<3> it's not a quantity
<5> what's Sceics
<3> it's an issue for control the power
<3> usa just don't want arabics people has petroleum, so much power
<3> sorry but i can't explain well in english
<5> you're saying US doesn't want Arabians to have power?
<5> i agree with that
<2> but I sometimes feel people are maybe overanalyzing the whole situation
<3> yes, usa doesn't want arabians to have petroleum
<2> I sometimes actually feel that the US really thought they could go into iraq and make things right
<2> never underestimate the power of fear
<5> maybe the US in general, but that wasn't Bush's idea
<3> Eplebit: usa can't change the mind of people
<2> linus__^: but they can think they can
<2> big differene
<3> yes
<5> actually they can change the mind, it's called brain washing
<2> hehe
<5> it's called turning someone into a President
<2> that has never worked in the long run if you look at history
<2> but I guess that won't stop people from trying :)
<5> it does on the individual level
<2> true
<5> and it does on the m*** level too
<5> look at Nazi Germany, Russia, China
<3> well i dont like america's way to do
<5> Fascist Italy, Japan, The Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire
<2> well, nazi germany killed itself, sovjet is now russia, and china is strugling
<5> all empires fall
<3> i think all dictatures fall
<5> it's just a matter of time
<3> yes
<0> terminus: nazis used mind control, not brainwashing (they are different)
<5> I would say US is at the height of it's power right now and will stay here for some time to come, but one day it will be just like the roman empire
<3> terminus
<2> the us isn't really an empire...
<3> usa is like roman empire now, but with a differece
<5> How is the US different from the Roman empire?
<6> Caesar had cooler hair.
<3> the roman empire was invading other civilities for export Culture, usa is invading only for power, money, and such
<2> are you absolutley sure about that?
<3> yes, sure



<5> are those the real reasons and motivations behind the actions the leaders take?
<0> caesar lacked unix and lsd.
<5> agreed
<3> eheheh
<2> the roman empire was also expanding for power and money
<2> it was the only way they could stay alive
<3> i think all actions of big leaders are motivated by money, money and power..
<5> The US does not need money, if they ever do they just go more in debt and never pay it back. No big loss
<2> they needed new lands to support the core
<5> What they want is more slave states, more colonies, more power and ominance
<2> hmmm... again, I'm not so sure that's all it's about
<3> Eplebit: it was just another time: in the time of roman empire there was population which was living like Flintstones, roman empire just gave them the culture: numbers, letterature, and so on
<2> I actually think a lot of americans think they can change the world if they just get people to see it from their view
<2> linus__^: and used them as slaves to feed rome
<3> well, yes, much times some people was taken as slaves
<7> Do not forget British empire, which was way bigger than Roman
<3> but in that time there wasn't the idea which this is wrong
<7> And Russian Empire was really huge
<2> linus__^: I think you're glorifying a bit...
<3> well no, i'm against roman empire, and dictature
<3> but i'm just writing some differences between roman empire, and others dictature
<7> i hate empires
<8> the US is more or less a fascist country
<5> British empire is part of the roman empire Mish
<5> They're a Roman colony
<8> it fills just about every requirement a fascist country must fill
<5> as are we, The US
<9> i've gotta go, bye
<7> i thought roman empire ended 5c CE and British started after 15 c ?
<7> so how can those two be part of one another
<10> the roman empire and the brittish empire are not teh same thing
<1> i wish people would look up facism before they attempt to use it in a sentence.
<6> I wonder if #c++ discussions are as varied as ours.
<3> well, my grandma lived in italy during the fascism of Mussolini and she thing was a good thing
<3> she thinks
<3> thinks*
<5> Romans colonized Briton, Briton Colonized US
<10> a lot of people took over briton
<10> normans etc
<4> romans before them
<7> interesting thing is, normanns colonized lot of places, but there was no such thing as norman empire
<6> It was the Alterans who gave Romans power anyway.
<3> well i just want to know how usa can giustificate hisself, if 9/11 was made by native america's indians!
<3> :)
<7> all those norman colonies were on their own, w/o central rule
<7> bin laden is native aamerican ?
<3> well, if so
<1> example of a wrong definition (but popular) of fascism. http://newdeal.feri.org/wallace/haw23.htm
<10> you guys seen that 9/11 documentry called lose change?
<7> i saw it, and i think it might have 10% of what holds water
<6> paum97: The composition made me dizzy.
<10> i found it intresting like the moon landing conspiracey :p
<11> So close to ground zero. :)
<11> Anyone want a HP Office Jet G85 or a NEC 17" 1280x1024 ~12ms LCD?
<11> Unfortunatly you've got to come pick it up 'cause I can't ship it.
<4> I'm about 500 meters from ground zero
<4> world trade center, that is
<12> hrm can you see the statue of liberty?
<12> im the southernmost tall building
<13> What's a good book for a absolute beginner in C?
<12> calc book
<14> Books aren't necessary. Just log onto IRC and ask us every question you have. Especially if you need to learn about printf. We like that.
<2> hehe
<15> I liked "Practical Algorithms for Programmers" by Rex and Binstock
<13> hmm
<16> what's the highest possible port number?
<11> rkeene: Great book.
<17> 65536 ?
<6> In TCP? 65535, I believe.
<18> hund is right. the size of an unsigned short.
<19> http://paste.lisp.org/display/21442
<19> im trying to compile a program nachos and i get this error
<19> how can i fix it
<18> not sure. c++ issue, something i'm not very familiar with.


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