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<0> well, they're... obviously not too clever.
<1> eheh.. wikipedia describes a squid as someone who rides a motorcycle in flip flops :)
<0> cuz anyone in the year 2006 should be aware what the consequences are when a skull hits asphalt at >30mph
<2> the stock market ****ed today
<0> strtok: worldwide or which exchange
<2> nasdaq
<1> i wear a helmet even on a bicycle because concussions ****ing ****. head hurts and you end up puking usually. puking with a splitting headache is about the worse thing I can think of.
<2> this whole tech company options thing
<1> strtok, blame israel.
<0> blame david h***elhoff ;)
<2> the 60 companes that have options under review
<2> and the more that will follow
<2> broadcom restated $750 million expense for options today
<0> i've never traded on the american market.
<0> guess I just don't feel like I understand it fully
<0> + I'm always scared the USD is going to hell when I need to sell.
<1> the USD is already hell. it's a good time to buy:)
<1> right now is a bad time to invest in the euro
<0> why didn't I buy lots of oil after 9/11...
<0> it was like $20 IIRC
<0> now it's.. $80?
<1> some people did.
<0> OrngeTide: yeah, lots of people suspected that the oil price would sink like a rock
<1> it's just going to keep going up.
<0> OrngeTide: but it did exactly the opposite
<0> poor shorters
<1> right now is a godo time to buy oil commodities. you're pretty much guarenteed to make money in the short term
<1> s/godo/good
<0> OrngeTide: what's the short term to you?
<1> SgtUnix, less than a quarter.
<0> mkay.
<0> OrngeTide: Some people think short term is <2 days. Not me though.
<1> it'll probably be going up for a couple years. beyond that I cannot say.
<0> Day traders.
<0> Most day traders don't make it thru the bear markets.
<1> 2 days is zero to me.
<0> The good investors, long term investors make it through the bear markets and do reasonably well in the bull markets.
<1> there are negative mutual funds you can use to protect yourself in bear markets.
<0> OrngeTide: real men trade their own stocks :)
<0> OrngeTide: unfortunately that's extremely time consuming
<1> doing shorting yourself is too high risk.
<1> you should do normal purchases yourself, and short through a negative mutal fund
<0> I don't short
<1> you don't because shorting is so risky:)
<0> or lack of knowledge, I don't have any experience with shorting at all
<1> obviously you won't make much on a negative fund. because you're basically paying insurance with part of the profits so you don't have to take on as much risk
<1> SgtUnix, shorting is complicated.
<0> it hasn't appealed to me yet
<0> when I'm ready I'll look into it
<1> i wouldn't really recommend it since there is no upper limit of what you can owe.
<1> SgtUnix, i want that retro looking ducati. http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2006/ducatiModel.jhtml?family=sportcl***ic&modelName=GT1000-06
<1> the sport1000 is nice too (almost the same as the gt1000, although the gt has a really nice looking tank)
<0> OrngeTide: i've drooled over those pics already :)
<0> definitely timeless.
<3> OrngeTide: does parallels have free/trial thing?
<1> myrddin, i don't think so.
<1> the mac version works well for me.
<1> although vmware has more features and has a free version. so if you run windows/linux go with that.
<1> parallels has a nice clean interface though.
<1> i'm disappointed parallels doesn't have a VNC feature though.
<1> but it does have a really slick serial port feature which seems to play well with kgdb.
<3> they have a free 14 day trial. does parallels let you point the virtual cdrom to an iso file?
<4> yes
<1> yea. i do that all the time. :)
<5> Hello
<5> how are you guys?
<3> excellent
<5> awesome
<1> hi myrddin
<3> trying out parallels on my 'doze machine
<1> do you have VT-x ?
<3> no?
<1> oh. then parallels won't be really any more interesting than vmware.
<3> hmm. this doesn't seem to be launching the iso very well
<3> I don't need it to be more interesting. I just need to run this linux install in a virtual setting. :)
<1> i couldn't get parallels to work with ubuntu 6.06 server, but it worked fine for my own linux disk image. go figure
<3> which works just fine in vmware. but I'm working from home today. Had to install something, figured I'd give parallels a shot
<3> this is our own linux install image (based on redhat, but modified a bit). it's not really loading the kernel, though.
<3> grub comes up, but it's not able to get any farther than that
<1> that's too bad. try vmware server. it's free
<3> if I can't get a vm type thing to work on my machine here, I have to vpn into work and do it remote, which I really don't wanna do
<5> I have a specific question related to development, not necessarily strictly to C. Say a company has a systems architect, a systems engineer and several systems analysts... how would a project start? Who talks with the client initially? What are all of their parts? I know a Systems Architect has to develop high-level requirements, but don't they also have to meet with the customer like the analysts do?
<5> and this isn't homework... the reason I ask is I see jobs for systems architects and systems analysts, and their description seems very similar
<5> almost like one is overhead or not needed
<1> well normally you need to write some documents. a PRD(product requirements doc) which is written from input from marketing and customers. an ERD(engineering requirements doc) which is based on the PRD. from the ERD you write a budget and a funtional spec. from the functional spec you write design documents for the components. and from the PRD and functional spec you write a test plan.
<6> The analyst gathers information about the client requirements and current situation, and then works with the architect to develop the plan, iirc
<5> so the architect doesn't have face time with the customer?
<1> i try not to think about it in terms of what position does what. because at startups you generally wear multiple hats. i think of it in terms of what documentation needs to be done to determine process.
<5> oh...
<5> I was just trying to understand how larger organizations, such as microsoft, oracle, etc... work on a project
<1> well any one of those people could have face time with a customer to clarify the original requirements.
<5> oh...
<1> but really it's marketing, sales and some analyist that sits down with a customer and figures out what features are wanted and how much the customer will pay to have them
<1> sometimes the analyist and architect are the same person.
<5> alright, how does a systems engineer fit in?
<5> or is that just a general title thrown around?
<1> like i never worked at a place that had an actual analyist position. it was usually the CTO or architects sitting down with a client.
<3> vt-x kinda requires an intel processor, yes?
<1> myrddin, yes. there is an equivalent for AMD but it's not available on most of thier processors
<1> my laptop has VT-x and so does my el cheapo dual core desktop i built.
<5> thanks guys for the info
<7> OrngeTide: isn't it called pacifica on AMDs?
<7> or is that a similar but incompatible virtualization system
<1> that's the codename. but it has some other name now.
<7> ah
<1> intel VT was called vanderpool technology. now VT is just virtualization technology extesions.
<7> I've been reading up on XenSource virtualization, and that was mentioned in one of their whitepapers
<1> VT-x might actually be the generic name for both intel and amd versions. I dunno
<1> i'm running Xen.
<7> oh ffs... my mouse is spazzing out again
<7> STOP WITH THE LEFT MOUSE BUTTON
<5> what is XenSource virtualization?
<1> i'm kind of disappointed that xen+md+lvm as root doesn't really work though.
<3> xen won't run on windows without vt-x
<1> who would want to run windows anyways
<5> hah
<3> though, I suppose I could run xen on a local linux box here at home and interact with it via a cygwin x server on my windows box
<3> well, when I'm at work, it's a purely linux environment. here at home, it's much more heterogeneous
<1> i need to finish setting up my server. i've been crazy busy the last 4 weeks. it's still sitting on my desk at home.
<3> and none of my linux boxes have any video hardware
<1> i have pci-express cards in all my linux desktops:)
<1> myrddin, you should see the new rm-f.net. 1tb diskspace. 8gb ram. quad 1.66Ghz
<3> OrngeTide: I don't have any linux desktops at home, is the thing. they're all rack mount server types.
<1> eheh.
<3> oooh. that sounds nice. :)
<1> yea. i put the whole thing in a 1U (hotswap SATA bays) for under $3k.
<1> it would've been like $2k if it wasn't full of ECC RAM :P
<3> quad proc. which cpu?
<1> two dual-core Xeon LVs.
<3> cool
<1> which is pretty much the same thing as a intel core duo.
<3> what kind of disk setup?
<1> very low power server.
<1> two 250g, two 300g. i'm doing raid-1 on the two 250g and using the 300g as sort of "scratch" space.
<1> i'll just let users keep like 1g in thier home dir. and they can keep an arbitrary amount of junk on the scratch volumes.
<3> omg. in order to install vmware on my windows box, I have to have IIS running.
<1> oh yea. i forgot about that
<1> i was pretty pissed about that too.
<3> grr
<1> you dont' need that for VMware player. that's why i run vmware player instead of vmware server.
<1> i just use the qemu tools to build disk images (vmware player can't make images)
<3> well, maybe parallels is trying to boot the kernel.
<3> it's got my cpu pegged
<1> yea. mine just hung with the cpu pegged too.
<3> does it get past that?
<1> never.
<3> pphht
<1> i had to make my own boot disk
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