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<0> rifkscoota
<1> good night all
<2> heh, what the heck is "Physics for Future Presidents" a course at berkeley (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=physics&page=5&so=0&lr=)
<2> weird
<3> Probably a course on establishing the link between uranium and nuclear weapons
<2> hehe, sort of like the prequisits a US president needs for using nukes
<4> Is it acceptable for Windows Services to create new processes?
<4> Or is that a no-no?
<5> Teckla, I never really messed with that, but I'm pretty sure it's tricky.
<4> Doh.
<5> Woha. Stephen Colbert is SUCH a geek.
<6> who?
<4> Colbert is hilarious.
<5> Teckla, his interview on O'Brian from two days ago is on Youtube... he keeps talking about D&D and LotR. :)
<5> O'Brien even
<7> heya, what's the size of a bool pritive?
<8> Oh noes, there's no bools in C
<9> typedef int bool;
<9> :)
<7> ahh, very interesting, hmmm
<7> thx :)
<9> he was right . bool isn't a c type
<9> but there is typedef
<7> that's what the interesting bit was at, I didn't realise.
<6> there's a bool type in stdbool.h
<6> (if you are using C99)
<6> it's just a macro that evaluates to _Bool, thoug
<6> h
<10> crap
<10> stock options thing
<4> Ugh. This gnome-power-tools port has been building for 3 days :(
<4> Man. This has to be kicking the *** of my new hard drive
<9> as long as you don't go to gentoo linux
<11> three days?? you need more ram, or cpu, or something :P
<4> 512 MB, 2.6 GHz
<4> I think I just need to decide once and for all that building from source is stupid
<9> 3 days! my old pentium 2 300MHZ built the entire set of redhat 6.0 packages in less than 24 hours
<9> what the hell is in it that would take 3 days!
<4> Ya, I've had it with anything related to building from source. No more
<4> Well, it did prompt for input a few times. Real stupid **** too.
<4> "use foo-gdbm instead of bar-gdbm"? um wtf? like i care!
<4> So who knows how many hours were wasted while it waited for input and I wasn't at the computer
<9> oh
<9> it stops and asks you questions from time to time?
<12> teckla: shoulda just used pkg_add -r
<12> it would have been done in 5 minutes
<9> why not do all that at the start or end
<11> i build from source for loonix and i cant recall anything thats taken terribly long.
<4> feti: * Teckla was able to install most of gnome via packages but this power-tools piece was only available as a port.
<13> KDE
<4> jeffloc: Yeah
<9> what's in powere tools anyway?
<11> but all of this window manager stuff is pansy ;\
<4> The GNOME 2 Power Tools (x11/gnome2-power-tools) consists of utilities and applets for the technically-minded GNOME user. It also contains many useful add-on utilities for some of the applications found in the Desktop and Fifth Toe.
<12> i have this feeling they meant 'technology-minded' ;P
<4> I have decided this is a good learning experience for me.
<4> NO MORE "BUILD FROM SOURCE" BASED OS'S!
<4> EVER!
<4> :)
<4> So it is written, so it shall be done.
<11> 'good learning experience' == 'it really ****ed'
<4> hehe
<9> gentoo users often cuss about compiling stuff
<14> yes
<14> i hear pain and agony is addictive
<9> hence the growing popularity of linux/unix
<11> what any true gentoo machine needs is a nitrous oxide tank
<4> I actually wanted to install Ubuntu but the install locks up.
<12> might be a bad ISO
<12> redownload
<4> (I don't really blame Ubuntu so much as my crappy laptop hardware)
<15> yes computing is no fun unless there's a risk of blowing your house up
<9> too many people have heaps of trouble with it
<9> I saw someone earlier today who had two sets of buggered dependencys
<4> I think my CD drive is somewhat faulty. The Windows install seems to retry enough that the install eventually works.
<4> Ubuntu seems to give up easier.
<9> had to remove all the desktop stuff to fix it
<15> Teckla, time to clean the CD lens maybe?
<12> ya, gentoo's deps are really flakey sometimes
<12> have to agree with that
<9> that might help
<12> but on a workstaion, i rarely update
<12> it runs as-is forever
<9> not gentoo. that boy was using ubuntu
<12> oh
<12> gentoo has deps issues too ;D
<4> Swish: Probably. I should do that
<11> cd rom drives do tend to fail periodically. beats me why. i've lost a few. cleaning lens never seemed to help.
<9> debian etch seems ok with them. but I get several MB of updates each day
<9> sarge maybe 1 MB per week
<12> debian is slow as hell with udpates too
<12> in terms of being up-to-date with what's new
<4> Non-trivial *nix apps in general seem to have lots of dependency issues.
<11> usually its a rapid decline.. cd reading gets worse and worse... and then you get errors all over the place
<9> debian sarge is
<12> when i'd update gentoo, i'd do it on monday morning when i got to the workstation and it'd take about 10-15minutes of compiling time and it'd be set for a week
<9> I had a cd drive die on me once
<9> only once
<12> i dunno why people hate gentoo so much
<4> I hate the Win32 API as much as the next guy, but having it ALL available is handy, as opposed to your app requiring 269 other libs of certain versions to work.
<11> Teckla, i agree. this is a nice benefit of a complete framework.
<11> java also has this, to some extent.
<4> AaronWL: Yes. Exactly.
<9> feti, maybe they try to install it on things that are just too slow
<12> jeff: dunno. another misconception though
<12> you don't have to compile 1 app to run gentoo
<12> it has 3 stages you can use.
<12> stage3 is completely compiled.
<12> most people choose stage2 though
<12> if it's a workstation you should always use stage 3
<9> then they ought to tell people about it :)
<12> in the handbook hehee
<9> I don't mind compiling stuff. it doesn't take too long on this
<12> you just get those idiots on slashdot that downloaded gentoo, didnt' read the handbook installation pages and then flamed it
<12> and the flame spreads like other retarded slashdot comments
<9> even my habit of compiling everything in site as kernel modules doesn't make it take all that long
<9> <1hour
<12> nice
<4> If you have to read documentation, the install is already fundamentally broken ;)
<12> haha
<12> only run it on this workstation anyways. i won't put anything but freebsd on a server, and that doesn't take long at all to install
<12> 3 minutes with the mini install cd and then source and kernel updates (1hour max of compiling)
<12> then you're off to pkg_add all your shells/langs
<9> if stuff is preperly compiled for your box you will get way better performance than you would with a whole lot of 386 packages
<12> i agree
<4> My pkg_adds die with "Broken pipe" all the time. Very annoying.
<4> Have to restart them over and over and over again.
<12> i do disagree that the process you just mentioned should be used ona workstation
<9> I'm going to do that soon with this thing
<12> teckla: that is odd :(
<12> i've never seen that
<9> xorg could be performing better
<12> xorg definitely
<12> firefox/openoffice no
<12> *laugh*
<12> openoffice alone is a 2 hour compile
<4> feti: Seems to be a VERY common problem based on my Usenet searches. fetch is dying (probably due to a busy server or something) and it just crashes the whole pkg_add process
<12> teckla: ;(
<9> they should use torrents
<4> A work-around suggested to me is to pre-download all the packages myself first, THEN run the pkg_add locally
<9> or some similar method
<12> teckla: wth kinda solution is that
<12> that's a redhat rpm solution ;D
<12> nobody wants that
<4> feti: A cheesy one. Heh
<4> But it works.
<4> But I think I am done with FreeBSD anyway.
<4> I love it...but it is just too frustrating to install software with it.
<4> :(
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