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<0> It's the "rest of the world" feature. It's the international currency symbol, on a Norwegian keyboard. :P
<1> whatever.. the original persian language is of advanced language.. so this translation is likely pretty bad.
<2> international currency symbol, huh? That must be why I've never seen it before.
<1> I see space invaders too
<3> international currency symbol was replaced by euro symbol
<1> damn.. one day I'll have to really get our language stuff working properly on our messageboard system
<3> there was no such international currency, but the symbol existed for some political reason that i cant remember
<1> wish I could hire someone :(
<2> Jaggy_, how much are you paying?
<4> Jaggy: Two9a is out of work
<4> hire him
<0> AaronWL: The symbol is a typographical convention, nothing more.
<2> I'm mostly employed
<1> I can't pay enough.. we're not making enough..
<2> anyone know off hand how you'd go about burning a 32mb bootable iso to a usbstick?
<3> hund, right, but there was a specific reason that they replaced the dollar sign with that symbol when they created the european code pages.



<1> I'm not sure how personal our finances are for me to discuss them though..
<3> well didnt replace it, but replaced it on the keyboard
<0> AaronWL: You're probably talking about ISO-8859-15.
<1> maybe if someone's out of work it could help them to pay them a little bit at least..
<3> maybe. all i remember is reading about it, and there being some political issue.
<0> And on my keyboard, the currency sign is on SHIFT-4, while the EUR sign is on AltGr+E.
<4> AaronWL: this is probably the reason on vim mailing list some or other european complains that exactly 1 key on his keyboard doesn't work
<3> hund, is your keyboard also the sort that doesnt have {} []?
<3> i remember there being some historical issue with scandanavians and those keys
<0> AaronWL: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Keyboard_Layout_Norwegian.png
<3> ah so you have an extra key.. this AltGr
<4> in israel, keyboards are much more complex
<0> AaronWL: It's used in the default layout, yes.
<0> Some Norwegians prefer to set it to US while programming.
<5> Aeon, they are?
<5> Mine doesn't look particularily more complex.
<3> the main annoyance i have is that the US layout does not allow for accents.. i usually switch to spanish if i want accents.
<4> KidArt: the russian-english-hebrew keyboards are
<4> 3 letters on each key ... that's very crowded
<5> Oh.
<5> Yeah, my dad has one of those.
<0> Some are uber-1337 and refuse to change back, or map in the relevant keys, when they need to use Norwegian characters, so they use ugly, archaic digraphs instead.
<4> i'm thinking whether to bring some stereo to work
<5> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Keyboard_Layout_Hebrew.png claims I have an AltGr key.
<5> I don't have an AltGr key.
<5> Nobody I know has an AltGr key.
<3> i know the Sun computers have some key like that AltGr.. also a 'Compose' key with mysterious function
<3> and a 'Help' button that hardly ever actually provides help :(
<0> Sun keyboards have many strange keys.
<6> what's the Gr key
<6> I don't seem to have one
<4> nokia pda has Char key which acts like AltGr
<4> my sharp pda has similar Symbol key
<6> .
<6> oops
<4> KidArt: i speculate that right Alt can function as AltGr
<4> if i don't bring stereo to work, I have difficulty to listen music
<4> I need small stereo with radio and cdplayer
<4> I have one spare at home, but it's bit too big for work
<4> maybe i get one for 500 isr moneys
<4> and bring it to work
<7> isr moneys?
<8> your computer doesn't work for listening to music?
<4> israel money units
<7> lol
<4> or I.M.U
<7> hehe
<4> well ireboot it often
<4> that's not convenient
<4> and no radio
<7> get a decent phone, it will play mp3s and radio
<4> no, i don't have decent phone
<7> thats why i said GET one
<4> well
<8> a phone that plays mp3s and has a radio is indecent, imho
<4> it'll unlikely to have more than 1GB
<4> which is not good for music
<7> 1 gig is more than enough for mp3
<4> and as a *phone*, might be ****ty
<7> blah
<7> modern phones handle sd cards



<4> how is 1 gig enough for music
<7> you can put a 2 gig in
<4> it's 1.5 CD of mp3
<7> thats how many hours?
<7> more than you work !
<1> making a lot of changes to code ****s.. I hate introducing bugs
<4> Jaggy_: they call it "refactoring" now
<1> I just converted a bunch of if (flags & LALA) to if (ISTYPE_LALA(flags)) .. and I had to do a lot of these of different types...
<4> pop: i can buy mp3-playing stereo for a fraction of the phone upgrade
<7> ok
<1> refactoring means?
<4> Jaggy_: refactoring means changes in the code
<4> but there's important difference
<4> when you say "I refactored the code", you feel proud
<4> of that
<0> Refactoring is cleaning up the code without introducing more bugs.
<4> WHen you don't use word "refactoring", you feel miserable
<0> Or features.
<4> right
<4> that's good definition
<4> But "cleaning up" is what
<4> ?
<4> it's job for the garbage man
<4> doesn't sound proud
<4> refactopring, on the other hand,
<4> sounds math-like
<1> I think cleaning up is refactoring.. organizing, optimizing, fixing things up.. probably sometimes it's not as optimized but perhaps more orderly.
<3> i always hated factoring in math cl***.
<4> AaronWL: they probably did, too
<3> a horrible process of guessing and checking.. wasting your time.
<4> that's why they say *re*factoring
<1> and it sounds like 'refactoring' is a term specifying the IDEAL (and often unreal) situation where the actual changes introduce no mistakes
<4> AaronWL: guessing ? % factor 3267 -> 3 3 3 11 11
<1> it also kind of sounds like it often doesn't change the output machine language?
<1> is it used in this way?
<1> like you change around #defines and stuff, but nothing actually changes?
<9> AaronWL: Yes, that's my site
<4> Jaggy_: not necessarily
<4> you can pull some common functionality into the function, for example
<4> something that was duplicated in several similar pieces of code
<1> mine had some bugs.. I was using if (hash_var & HASHV_INT)
<1> but my new types work differently, unifying the list, hash, and tag types into one typing system
<4> Jaggy_: just refactor it
<1> if (UTYPE_ISINT(hash_var))
<1> 3267 -> 3 3 3 11 11 ? what's that.
<4> I think they guys who came up with "refactoring" word were the "extreme programming" guys
<4> Jaggy_: that's factoring
<4> what AAronWL didn't like
<1> where do the 3 3 3 11 11 come from?
<4> s/they/the/
<4> Jaggy_: man factor
<1> ohh, gotcha.
<1> bet it has plenty of use
<3> XP came up with a lot of fairly misleading buzzwords
<4> why do you think it's a standard command
<4> AaronWL: for example ?
<4> wow i randomly hit the prime!
<4> 1111111111111111111
<1> is there a cgrep for grepping through c/perl code?
<1> like I want to look for some function lines.. but they continue for 2 lines or more until the ending ;
<4> neither 111111111111111111 nor 11111111111111111111 are primes!
<3> well any 1-string that has a length multiple of 3 is divisible by 3
<1> Aeon, that'd be a cool Flash popup advertisement..
<6> when I use factor on a prime it just did this: 3271: 3271
<1> instead of the punch the monkey
<3> algebraic factoring was the bad stuff
<3> x**2 + 6x + 3
<4> Jaggy_: it's not difficult to cook
<1> "Hit the prime and you could win a free laptop!"
<1> afk, dog peeing
<4> Jaggy_: what do you want to grep for ?
<1> too complicated. I want to actually look for a routine which p***es a variable (cast to (void *)) which is really of type hash_table
<1> to check for the old version which was adding them as tags of type _OP (OPAQUE or USER-DEFINED type)..


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