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<0> It's the "rest of the world" feature. It's the international currency symbol, on a Norwegian keyboard. :P <1> whatever.. the original persian language is of advanced language.. so this translation is likely pretty bad. <2> international currency symbol, huh? That must be why I've never seen it before. <1> I see space invaders too <3> international currency symbol was replaced by euro symbol <1> damn.. one day I'll have to really get our language stuff working properly on our messageboard system <3> there was no such international currency, but the symbol existed for some political reason that i cant remember <1> wish I could hire someone :( <2> Jaggy_, how much are you paying? <4> Jaggy: Two9a is out of work <4> hire him <0> AaronWL: The symbol is a typographical convention, nothing more. <2> I'm mostly employed <1> I can't pay enough.. we're not making enough.. <2> anyone know off hand how you'd go about burning a 32mb bootable iso to a usbstick? <3> hund, right, but there was a specific reason that they replaced the dollar sign with that symbol when they created the european code pages.
<1> I'm not sure how personal our finances are for me to discuss them though.. <3> well didnt replace it, but replaced it on the keyboard <0> AaronWL: You're probably talking about ISO-8859-15. <1> maybe if someone's out of work it could help them to pay them a little bit at least.. <3> maybe. all i remember is reading about it, and there being some political issue. <0> And on my keyboard, the currency sign is on SHIFT-4, while the EUR sign is on AltGr+E. <4> AaronWL: this is probably the reason on vim mailing list some or other european complains that exactly 1 key on his keyboard doesn't work <3> hund, is your keyboard also the sort that doesnt have {} []? <3> i remember there being some historical issue with scandanavians and those keys <0> AaronWL: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Keyboard_Layout_Norwegian.png <3> ah so you have an extra key.. this AltGr <4> in israel, keyboards are much more complex <0> AaronWL: It's used in the default layout, yes. <0> Some Norwegians prefer to set it to US while programming. <5> Aeon, they are? <5> Mine doesn't look particularily more complex. <3> the main annoyance i have is that the US layout does not allow for accents.. i usually switch to spanish if i want accents. <4> KidArt: the russian-english-hebrew keyboards are <4> 3 letters on each key ... that's very crowded <5> Oh. <5> Yeah, my dad has one of those. <0> Some are uber-1337 and refuse to change back, or map in the relevant keys, when they need to use Norwegian characters, so they use ugly, archaic digraphs instead. <4> i'm thinking whether to bring some stereo to work <5> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Keyboard_Layout_Hebrew.png claims I have an AltGr key. <5> I don't have an AltGr key. <5> Nobody I know has an AltGr key. <3> i know the Sun computers have some key like that AltGr.. also a 'Compose' key with mysterious function <3> and a 'Help' button that hardly ever actually provides help :( <0> Sun keyboards have many strange keys. <6> what's the Gr key <6> I don't seem to have one <4> nokia pda has Char key which acts like AltGr <4> my sharp pda has similar Symbol key <6> . <6> oops <4> KidArt: i speculate that right Alt can function as AltGr <4> if i don't bring stereo to work, I have difficulty to listen music <4> I need small stereo with radio and cdplayer <4> I have one spare at home, but it's bit too big for work <4> maybe i get one for 500 isr moneys <4> and bring it to work <7> isr moneys? <8> your computer doesn't work for listening to music? <4> israel money units <7> lol <4> or I.M.U <7> hehe <4> well ireboot it often <4> that's not convenient <4> and no radio <7> get a decent phone, it will play mp3s and radio <4> no, i don't have decent phone <7> thats why i said GET one <4> well <8> a phone that plays mp3s and has a radio is indecent, imho <4> it'll unlikely to have more than 1GB <4> which is not good for music <7> 1 gig is more than enough for mp3 <4> and as a *phone*, might be ****ty <7> blah <7> modern phones handle sd cards
<4> how is 1 gig enough for music <7> you can put a 2 gig in <4> it's 1.5 CD of mp3 <7> thats how many hours? <7> more than you work ! <1> making a lot of changes to code ****s.. I hate introducing bugs <4> Jaggy_: they call it "refactoring" now <1> I just converted a bunch of if (flags & LALA) to if (ISTYPE_LALA(flags)) .. and I had to do a lot of these of different types... <4> pop: i can buy mp3-playing stereo for a fraction of the phone upgrade <7> ok <1> refactoring means? <4> Jaggy_: refactoring means changes in the code <4> but there's important difference <4> when you say "I refactored the code", you feel proud <4> of that <0> Refactoring is cleaning up the code without introducing more bugs. <4> WHen you don't use word "refactoring", you feel miserable <0> Or features. <4> right <4> that's good definition <4> But "cleaning up" is what <4> ? <4> it's job for the garbage man <4> doesn't sound proud <4> refactopring, on the other hand, <4> sounds math-like <1> I think cleaning up is refactoring.. organizing, optimizing, fixing things up.. probably sometimes it's not as optimized but perhaps more orderly. <3> i always hated factoring in math cl***. <4> AaronWL: they probably did, too <3> a horrible process of guessing and checking.. wasting your time. <4> that's why they say *re*factoring <1> and it sounds like 'refactoring' is a term specifying the IDEAL (and often unreal) situation where the actual changes introduce no mistakes <4> AaronWL: guessing ? % factor 3267 -> 3 3 3 11 11 <1> it also kind of sounds like it often doesn't change the output machine language? <1> is it used in this way? <1> like you change around #defines and stuff, but nothing actually changes? <9> AaronWL: Yes, that's my site <4> Jaggy_: not necessarily <4> you can pull some common functionality into the function, for example <4> something that was duplicated in several similar pieces of code <1> mine had some bugs.. I was using if (hash_var & HASHV_INT) <1> but my new types work differently, unifying the list, hash, and tag types into one typing system <4> Jaggy_: just refactor it <1> if (UTYPE_ISINT(hash_var)) <1> 3267 -> 3 3 3 11 11 ? what's that. <4> I think they guys who came up with "refactoring" word were the "extreme programming" guys <4> Jaggy_: that's factoring <4> what AAronWL didn't like <1> where do the 3 3 3 11 11 come from? <4> s/they/the/ <4> Jaggy_: man factor <1> ohh, gotcha. <1> bet it has plenty of use <3> XP came up with a lot of fairly misleading buzzwords <4> why do you think it's a standard command <4> AaronWL: for example ? <4> wow i randomly hit the prime! <4> 1111111111111111111 <1> is there a cgrep for grepping through c/perl code? <1> like I want to look for some function lines.. but they continue for 2 lines or more until the ending ; <4> neither 111111111111111111 nor 11111111111111111111 are primes! <3> well any 1-string that has a length multiple of 3 is divisible by 3 <1> Aeon, that'd be a cool Flash popup advertisement.. <6> when I use factor on a prime it just did this: 3271: 3271 <1> instead of the punch the monkey <3> algebraic factoring was the bad stuff <3> x**2 + 6x + 3 <4> Jaggy_: it's not difficult to cook <1> "Hit the prime and you could win a free laptop!" <1> afk, dog peeing <4> Jaggy_: what do you want to grep for ? <1> too complicated. I want to actually look for a routine which p***es a variable (cast to (void *)) which is really of type hash_table <1> to check for the old version which was adding them as tags of type _OP (OPAQUE or USER-DEFINED type)..
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