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<0> mornings
<1> must have a bunch of outdated software on that
<0> it had 10.2 isos on it
<0> just freed it up to install XP onto
<0> vmware ftw
<0> when my friend gets done playing bf2 so he can send me an iso anyway
<2> paralells > vmware
<0> OrngeTide! :)
<3> MUSCLE is a piece of crap.
<4> There was a NES game by that name, it was fairly crappy too
<3> MUSCLE is even worse.
<3> For one thing, it uses Mac OS X's plists for it's drivers and "services"
<0> OrngeTide: Got an XP pro iso ?
<3> Shouldn't you be able to get the licensed software media for really cheap from the vendor ?
<1> but, that's probably just because I never use them. how do I find out what files a .rpm will install
<0> no ide
<1> ah. looks like 'rpm -qpl foo.rpm' does the trick
<1> I always have to munge through that huge *** man file every time I need to do that
<5> gotta love those huge *** men
<0> /topic #c <+AaronWL> gotta love those huge *** men
<5> :P
<5> i shy away from rpm, though i have it installed, because it generally isn't much of a benefit compared to installing the ordinary source package
<5> the extra time it takes is good because it gives you time to read docs, get a better understanding of what it is, etc
<5> then you also have a vanilla build of it around, for on the spot production debugging if you ever need it
<5> and you can get support directly from the authors without them whining about a third-party build
<1> this is a work thing, though. not much getting around it. ;)
<6> ta-daaa!
<6> :p
<5> love at first sight
<7> Is it possible for a program which links to DLLs at runtime to make (some of) it's own functions available to the DLL?
<8> sure, for example you can p*** function pointers as arguments to an initialization function in the DLL
<4> It's possible for shared libraries to resolve symbols in the program on Unix, probably on windows too
<4> Or function pointers, right
<8> function pointers is probably the safest bet
<1> function pointers > *
<7> Jeah, I was thinking of function pointers
<7> Guess I'll stick to them, then =)
<7> Thanks
<8> lol
<9> hrm
<9> i have a strange p4 integration issue
<10> no u don't
<11> strtok IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT
<8> it's always strtok's fault
<9> I DO!
<5> int p^4 dx = p^5/5 + c
<4> error: syntax error before '^' token
<9> :P
<9> nerds
<5> there's something vaguely ironic about a christian website citing a p***age from the bible (romans 1:19) as proof that god gives people enough evidence to know he exists.
<12> haha
<5> here's the thing
<5> there are mainly two possibilities here
<5> 1) christian evangelicals are seriously retarded as a whole
<5> 2) noone actually beleives any of this crap, and they're playing along on the chance of hooking it up with a hot alter girl
<5> and another thing.
<12> nod
<5> if i see anyone proof of evolution that bases its entire proof on bunching holes on beleivable overwhelming empirical evidence (that has nothing whatsoever to do with creationism), im going to spew serious chunks
<5> not that i can spell or anything
<5> but, really, im genuinely curious to know. are these people really retarded, or is there something very weird happening?
<5> religious conspiracy? large scale brainwashing? microsoft domination attempt?
<4> I never understood humanity myself, but belief in unreasonable theories and models can be explained as a psychological disorder
<4> These believes are highly comforting, re***uring
<5> *even if* christians feel some magical feeling that i dont feel (which i seriously doubt, given what ive heard), that still doesn't excuse them from the basic rules of logic and deduction
<5> Maloeran, so what are you proposing? m*** schizophrenia?
<4> Believing makes the fear of death disappears, it removes the feeling of being powerless in many situations ( just pray, that'll fix it ), it gives one a sense of identity, being part of a large group
<13> and the preachers take maximum advantage of that whenever they can
<4> I think it's quite understandable why some people would unconsciously choose to accept these theories as pure "truths"
<4> Humans just aren't too rational by default
<5> right, and if it were just some people, maybe i could accept this. but the vast majority of the world? taken up in a collection of incompatible and unsubstantiated fantasies on par with santa claus?
<5> seriously, it is unescapable that most people in the world are utterly and completely wrong about what they appear to beleive most deeply as true.
<4> You have to admit that these "truths" are much more convenient than understanding quantum physics, genetics and astrophysics to explain our universe
<4> It's so simple, well within reach of even the simplest minds
<5> there were plenty of people who did not require mystical nonsense prior to the existance of quantum physics
<5> furthermore, id posit that quantum physics etc doesn't really add that much to one's personal understanding of the universe.
<4> True, but the most advanced scientific models were simpler
<5> what i dont understand, is why almost everyone except for me beleives in santa claus, when i am perfectly happy living in a world without him.
<4> It's all part of being able to provide clear and reasonable theories to explain our world, rather than relying on the default "god" hypothesis by lack of a better answer ( for a lot of people, this is )
<5> hmmm
<4> People needs answers, living in the unknown is very difficult, so I think they will accept whatever theory comes their way and appears to make sense at the time
<4> Religious believes are often built at a very young age, when the reason isn'tw ell developped yet
<4> isn't well*
<5> perhaps all of religion is just a perpetuation of what a few crackpots in sumeria and india made up as a joke.
<13> Maloeran, yes that's when preachers brainwash the poor things and scare them sill with theit bull****
<5> ive always been particularly curious about prophets.. if they beleive in the gods they conjure, or if they're just frauds
<4> Religions origianlly emerged as moral codes to preserve social order. Laws aren't enough to keep people in line, since human eyes aren't omnipresent, but this god stuff comes handy
<4> originally*
<5> well, religion predates code of laws, and mysticism predates civilization
<4> Religions were the first form of social rules and guidelines
<13> Maloeran, religions first started because the people in charge liked to pretend they know everything. when something comes up they don't know they make things up
<13> too bad later generations believe it
<13> or rather if they do , then it's religion
<5> i was told in world civ cl*** etc that mysticism in its various forms was the strongest force in a pre-civ huamn's life.
<13> their masters used it to keep them so scared they would do what they were told
<4> Yes AaronWL, and it served as a set of guidelines on how to behave in society
<13> religion is always abput control
<1> it's the strongest force in a lot of people's lives today
<5> well, prior to that, i dont think there were guidelines. autonomism or whatever its called was supposedly very popular.. the belief that all things have a soul, and that is the foundation for the mystical system
<5> i dont see why people would *want* to beleive that a bunch of rocks have souls.
<10> How about quantum phisisits that beleive in God ?
<14> I don't see why people would believe in souls
<10> Einstein beleieved in God
<10> Newton was religious
<13> he didn't believe in socks
<10> in socks ?
<4> Einstein didn't quite believe in god, no
<14> Einstein was not an idiot, no
<14> http://modseven.de/misc/theism.gif
<13> eccentric they called him. except when they called him ****en nuts. bot not stupid
<5> im not sure if anyone actually did that.
<4> Einstein's quote : "I came - though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents - to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve."
<10> heh
<4> I don't know why some people thinks he was religious, maybe just because of the "God does not play dice with the universe" joke
<10> You don't follow
<10> Nobody said Einstein was religious
<10> I said Newton was religious'
<5> [19:41] <10> Newton was religious
<13> he was a jew
<10> don't misquote me
<13> they are always a bit weird about religion
<10> Einstein referred to God when he declared his disafreement with smoe princilpes of quantum mechanics
<14> Yeah, that makes him a theist
<10> I don't know what is thjeist
<4> Anyway, I think it's well known that even bright minds can stay attached to various absurd or unlikely theories
<10> Hmmm
<10> THat sounds strange
<13> especially if there's profit in it
<10> Like ***uming that strong mathematicican makes mistake in countnig 5+5
<5> perhaps we have misunderstood the nature of intelligence.
<4> The human mind is wired to recognize patterns more often than it could miss patterns, so errors ( pattern recognition when there's no pattern ) are bound to occur on a regular basis
<10> binrapt: Einstein, when specifically asked, said that he does believe in God, but not into that "naive" God how a child would imagine it
<14> I demand proof from intarwebz
<10> binrapt: and Einstein was not naive himself to "believe in absurd or unlikely theories"
<14> Are you trying to tell me that theism is not absurd?
<4> Blasphemy! Believe or you will suffer eternally! </sarcasm>
<5> its also unusual that most people seem to want these sorts of unreasonable and irrational people in leadership and policy-making positions
<14> Unusual? On the contrary
<5> personally, i want people who don't understand basic rules of logic as far from community government as possible.
<5> unusual to me
<14> Insanity in individuals is rare, in groups however it is the rule
<10> theism != religious fanaticism
<13> not many people are fanatical about anything. it doesn't take many to cause a lot of trouble though
<4> The whole concept of believes in "truths" is totally absurd, "truths" can only exist in system where we are certain of our axioms
<10> i strongly believe that people have religious belief because there is a region in the human brain which makes person have religious feelings
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