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<0> termcap is super simple. and it's good enough for ircii-like interfaces. but it's not really good for much beyond that.
<1> plus I don't really know the internals of the terminal stuff all that well
<1> how complicated would it be to get ncurses like interfaces on a raw socket without any of the os stuff?
<2> Gambit-: hehehe, you're gonna run the mud clients on the mud server?
<2> you tell your lazy users to download your app!
<2> ;p
<1> hehe
<1> no way, because this way I get all the advantages of segregated processing, string caching, and the like without having the users download anything else.
<1> I can always shunt the clients onto a seperate box as well for additional benefit.
<0> Gambit-, i can give you a crash course in terminals if you want.
<1> OrngeTide, Not right now, blood sugars too low, but maybe later yeah.
<0> Gambit-, uh. an ncurses one would be a bit of work. because of the WINDOW structure.
<0> Gambit-, a termcap one would be like i said. like 2 hours of work.
<1> well once I get the termcap I'd have to go and implement scrolling windows and all the rest
<0> i think a webbased interface would make more sense than trying to use ncurses in a socket app:)
<0> Gambit-, you don't have to implement scrolling windows
<2> Gambit-: ah, sounds good then
<0> Gambit-, you just use the terminal codes for that. it's built-in.
<1> I'll probably not worry about it to start with -- run the local client but have it just provide a bog standard mud app.
<1> well that's part of it as well, I'm designing it so that the other end /could/ be a web interface
<1> or an x11 interface, or anything else.
<1> I'm sorta desiginging this like a mmrpg but with a mud as the target.
<0> bog standard mud app would not have fancy terminal controls going on. :)
<1> yeah, I'm jumping ahead of myself :)
<1> need to get the multithreading and database stuff hashed out way first.
<3> heya orangey
<0> hi zid.
<3> what day is it today?
<1> mmm ramen totally devoid of nutritional value.
<1> weds.
<3> the?
<0> i'm erasing the drives today.
<1> 5th
<4> erasing?!
<4> Heh
<4> I need to boot from the install CD on my PowerMac
<0> well i don't want zid to get all my child porn and britney spears mp3s.
<4> Erase free space, 35 p***
<4> mmm.
<1> mmm brittney spears /is/ child porn.
<4> Exactly.
<0> Gambit-, so true
<1> at least she was, till she went ghetto
<0> although now she's just fat and old looking
<4> She's fat now?
<0> well she's been squirting out babies.
<0> her butt is huge too
<0> not that i would know
<0> gambit needs food badly.
<1> pale gambit needs food badly!
<0> you found the key
<0> he's playing gauntley
<0> er.. gauntlet
<0> gambits entire life is one huge neverending game of gauntlet.
<0> that game was totally futile too, just like life
<1> yup
<1> orange tide shot the food!
<5> Was there ever an ending at Gauntlet?
<0> hehe.. A terrifying message from Al Gore. http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BjrOi4vF24&search=al%20gore%20
<2> ****! this "one guy" is annoying the living hell out of me
<1> so is the entire movie drawn in futurama style?
<2> he's asking questions like "so, if i put something equals something here, i can set this to that and then it gets p***ed back to the function and ...." ... wtf
<0> Gambit-, no. just that little ad.
<1> that ****s.
<0> the actual movie is incredibly boring
<1> ahah have you seen it?
<2> i told him multiple times he needs to be explicit if he wants to ask me things
<2> i don't know what "something and something" is
<0> #c style of help probably doesn't work well in an acedemic environment.
<1> Vratha, is this over im or are you ircing from your podium?
<2> OrngeTide: haha, sure it does :) my teachers do #c style with me all the time, and it works quite well :)
<2> Gambit-: i'm IRCing from my podium :)
<0> #c style education makes college a waste of money.
<2> why? the socratic method works fine when it's used on me
<0> well we use more of a trolling method:)
<2> ooh, haha
<2> well i'm not trolling him ;p
<0> maybe he's trolling you.
<2> i just don't know what "these" and "that" and "thingamajig" and all that is ;p
<0> so i was working on a program and I was wondering what this thing next to the variable names does.
<6> thingamajig rarely fits into computer programming ;)
<2> OrngeTide: yeah, i know what you mean; i had the same problem the other day
<0> and then there are these other dohickies that are on almost every line, what do those do?
<2> OrngeTide: stuff
<0> vocabulary is easily the most important tool in any technical craft.
<6> OrngeTide: a friend of mine still doesn't get the concept of pointer, so when things doesn't work he just tries a * or &...
<0> Vratha, so i put it in there and my compiler was giving me some error on some stuff. what is that about?
<6> an intelligent question would solve that...
<2> OrngeTide: ****... FUUUUCK... just go to hell and DIE
<0> markild, i try to tell people that * in a declaraction and expression does different things, then that * in an expression move towards the data, and & moved away from the data (address of). and * can cancel out &. and that & can't be used multiple times, and * can. at this point people usually understand or are even more confused than before
<2> ;p
<0> Vratha, i'm good at this being useless thing
<2> hehehe... no, that's just what i want to say to him for his lack of communication skills
<6> OrngeTide: yeah, exacly.. I even tried drawing and using objects to show and tell.
<0> yea. you should've make the first week of your cl*** about vocabulary.
<2> yeah, i'll think about doing that in the future
<0> markild, i have a hard time explaining it to people because i figured out pointers from doing ***embly language.
<0> "this is a variable, this is an expression, this is a declaraction, this is a prototype, this is an operator, etc"
<6> I'm just damn happy I have no trouble with it :D
<0> you don't have to understand what any of these things do. but learn to recognize them and identify them properly.
<0> one trick i use with pointers is to just match types. if i have an lvalue of type char* and I have an rvalue of char** I just need to figure out how to match them up.
<0> Vratha, i'm guessing these people don't know the difference between an lvalue or an rvalue either?
<2> OrngeTide: yeah :-/ i just lose him with basic non-computer things as well... like i'll say "ok, the reason this logic fails is because if you plot this logic on a line graph you will see that there are no bounds on either side" ... referring to things like "why does 'if (grade >= 89.5 || grade <= 100.0)' always execute instead of these other things?"... i figured a line graph would be the perfect way to describe that to a math education major
<2> OrngeTide: no, they don't know what those are
<0> Vratha, i thought he was tring to be a math major?!
<2> OrngeTide: yeah, he's trying to be a math major
<0> yea. i learned that crap in like 7th grade.
<2> and actually, all of the cl*** is good except him
<2> OrngeTide: hahaha, word up
<0> and i recieved a pretty poor education at that.
<0> anyways. i'm going to hunt up some lunch. adios.
<2> me too
<2> later :)
<6> Vratha: same as OrngeTide here.. Those <= things on graps is pretty basic.
<6> hm.. i just said "things"...
<2> markild: yeah.. the main thing was the use of "||" instead of "&&" to get bounding... basic set theory i thought he'd understand if i explained it in line graph form
<7> wow
<7> i learned that type of thing in like 7th grade too
<7> he's really a math major?
<2> yeah, me too; i think most of the world did
<7> i hope he's failing.
<2> he is
<7> ok good
<2> he was just complaining at the end of the cl*** that this isn't fair that he can't get it and that he really needs a C to continue in his degree choice
<2> i said "well, i don't know what to say about that"
<6> make him practice this line: 'Do you want fries with that?'
<7> then again, i wouldn't have needed that type of example in the first place since it's pretty obvious why that statement wasn't working as intended :P
<7> Vratha: you the professor i take it?
<2> he goes to the teachers and tutors for help all the time; i don't know how he still wouldn't get it after hours.... i honestly think he's likely of lower IQ, in which case i'm not sure how he got into this school since we've been increasing the scores you need to enter
<2> mith: no, i'm the TA for the lab
<7> ah
<2> markild: hahaha... i don't want to get us sued
<7> some people can just test well but **** when any actual logic figures into the situation
<2> mith: well yeah, but you have half a brain and can figure things out ;)
<2> at least half... i'm sure you have more
<6> Vratha: you can't get sued for it if it's true ;)
<7> heh
<2> markild: well yeah, but i don't want him bitching
<8> Vratha, as I said earlier, there's always "this one guy". I'm currently doing a B.Sc (and I really pity the TAs. :) ), and, well... we have that one guy too.
<2> mith: hehehe, i'm the opposite... i test like total ****
<2> i can't remember anything for anything
<7> Vratha: his next lab should be a program that prints out "would you like fries with that?" in varying ways
<7> me too
<2> KidArt: you have "one guy" ... they're everywhere!!!
<9> anybody here versed with flex and bison?
<7> i get concepts/patterns but **** at memorizing ****
<6> someone should make it the new error msg on gcc!
<2> mith: hahaha
<2> feti: i've used it some
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