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<]Newt[> hypotesise*
<]Newt[> no it doesnt
<^-o-^> its not right likely
<^-o-^> but it explains
<]Newt[> thats the definition of a hypothesis.
<^-o-^> no
<]Newt[> although you can test a hypothesis
<^-o-^> see because people KNOW there is a god
<]Newt[> nope
<]Newt[> they BELIEVE there is a god
<^-o-^> they KNOW this as much as the air moves
<]Newt[> BIG difference.
<^-o-^> not to them
<^-o-^> and that's the point
<]Newt[> and thats the definition of ignorance and closed minded.
<]Newt[> and thats horrible
<^-o-^> you're looking at them like they care that science is trying to explain away their beliefs
<^-o-^> in many cases they are
<]Newt[> i know, ive been there.
<]Newt[> lived it for a number of years.
<^-o-^> have you ever sat and talked with an honest to god bible-thumper?
<]Newt[> I dated one for a while
<]Newt[> so yes.
<^-o-^> it doesn't matter what you tell them they KNOW that god exists
<]Newt[> Plus I have about 180 credit hours of religious philosophy under my belt
<]Newt[> no, they dont.
<]Newt[> they believe
<]Newt[> and their belief is all that matters
<nancycare> hey ello
<]Newt[> and the smart ones know that.
<|neldo|> hey
<^-o-^> which to them...
<^-o-^> get it to them
<]Newt[> the morons turn belief in to fact
<nancycare> how ar you all
<^-o-^> not to a scientific jerk like you
<^-o-^> that they know god exists
<^-o-^> and they know how it all works
<nancycare> how does it work
<]Newt[> they believe
<^-o-^> they may not know the precise details which god left to physicits and the like
<]Newt[> turning belief to fact is where the line is crossed that shouldnt be
<^-o-^> but they KNOW
<^-o-^> I disagree
<]Newt[> to know implies factual knowledge
<]Newt[> you cant know a belief
<]Newt[> you can be familiar with it, and believe in it.
<]Newt[> but you cant know it as fact.
<CF_INF> this is getting way to boring night guys
<]Newt[> you can believe it as fact.
<^-o-^> to know imply's that facts aren't biased
<]Newt[> they arent.
<]Newt[> North is north, gravity pulls toward the center of the earth, the Earh orbits the sun, all fact.
<^-o-^> ok then it implies that there's such a thing as a true fact
<]Newt[> i just stated true fact.
<^-o-^> because of common belief
<]Newt[> no.
<]Newt[> those are all observable phenomenon
<nancycare> ello everyone please how can i get to hackes lodge
<]Newt[> the sun rises and sets every day, east to west, due to planetary rotation.
<]Newt[> seasons change due to planetary orbit
<]Newt[> nany: /join #channelname
<^-o-^> I as one man am unable to impose my will on the conscious mind of Earth that I am unable to enforce my will that gravity doesn't pull down, that north is infact slightly north east....
<^-o-^> however to me I'm sitting on my roof right now
<^-o-^> and I'm right
<^-o-^> and you can't prove otherwise
<^-o-^> its a fact
<]Newt[> well i cant help you if youre crazy and chose to live in a deluded reality.
<^-o-^> oh... are you starting to get it
<^-o-^> geez
<]Newt[> but for everyone OBSERVING you, youre not on your roof, and gravity does pull you down.
<^-o-^> that was my whole FREAKIN point
<^-o-^> maybe they're observing what they want to see
<^Quickie3> Hey ^-o-^
<]Newt[> and all those Observers, should be able to talk you back to reality
<]Newt[> but with religion, no one comes back.
<^-o-^> by observing me they change what they see
<^-o-^> thats not true either
<^-o-^> hi quickie
<]Newt[> no, they see you, not on your roof, being pulled to earth by gravity.
<^-o-^> I've been religious
<^-o-^> and I gave it up
<STMILKID> I feel dizzy -_-;
<]Newt[> ok well the real nutjobs dont, which are the ones that need it most
<^-o-^> hence why I'm agnostic
<^Quickie3> Boy -o-, you mad your nick as complicated as possible to type didn't you? LOL
<]Newt[> good place to be
<^Quickie3> made
<]Newt[> call him Red Quick.
<]Newt[> ;)
<^Quickie3> Oh, ok
<]Newt[> er, that should be Red, Quick
<^-o-^> because I don't believe science ever will answer the question of the beginning of time or where it all came from or how large the universe is
<^Quickie3> I undertood
<]Newt[> heh
<^Quickie3> stood
<^-o-^> it just is
<]Newt[> well it proved the big bang
<nancycare> hi newt
<^-o-^> and because that defies my logic I believe something bigger then any of us, god or whatever, did it
<^Quickie3> Het Newt, where you from?
<]Newt[> if Hawking can stay alive a bit longer, he'll figure some more out im sure.
<^-o-^> no one has probed the big bang
<^Quickie3> hey*
<^-o-^> proved
<]Newt[> yea.
<^-o-^> no
<]Newt[> 1956
<]Newt[> bet me
<^-o-^> you can't prove it
<^-o-^> not by the definition of scientific proof
<]Newt[> measuring the radiation from the expanding edge of the universe to prove expansion from a central location
<^-o-^> I've read his book too
<]Newt[> looking through telescopes billions of years into the past
<]Newt[> im not talking Hawkings book here
<^-o-^> however that could be an unrelated phenomena
<]Newt[> that was all black holes and the fabric of space/time Einstein proposed
<]Newt[> the Catholic Church accepted it as true in 1986
<^-o-^> you cannot prove that the big bang happened
<]Newt[> after the Vatican was able to recreate the experiment
<]Newt[> well, if you wont buy scientific evidence, there is no hope
<^-o-^> evidence sure
<]Newt[> big bang has been proven buddy, look it up. It's the Omega Factor that they want to prove now.
<^-o-^> that leads to it being hypothetically true and even likely
<^-o-^> but you can't say for certain it happened
<]Newt[> which is the ratio of matter now, to the time of the big bang
<]Newt[> look it up.
<^-o-^> I've read it
<]Newt[> it was in the news recently actually
<^-o-^> and just like you can't prove that 2+2 is always 4 you can't prove that the big bang happened
<^-o-^> two parralel lines can intersect
<]Newt[> its called phase shift.
<^Quickie3> I believe that there is enough sientific evidence to prove the big bang theory, but I also think that they still haven't gathered enought of it, to make logical sense of it all.
<]Newt[> sigh
<]Newt[> ok Red, now youre talking math
<]Newt[> my language
<]Newt[> dont get yourself in trouble here.
<]Newt[> thats more accurate Quick.
<^Quickie3> ^_^
<]Newt[> more appropriately inflation theory is pretty much proven
<]Newt[> not necessarily the singularity that led to the big bang
<]Newt[> anyway, i need sleep
<]Newt[> i gotta be at work at 7 to make more lame websites for the govt.
<]Newt[> ranting philosophical is always enjoyable. Thanks for the mental workout.
<]Newt[> gnight.
<^-o-^> thank goodness
<]Newt[> psh, cant take a loss?
<]Newt[> :-p
<]Newt[> j/k
<^-o-^> you might win on mathmatical grounds
<^-o-^> however on the issue of morals you didn't win
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