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<0> nor will u really get anything out of it bar dead knowledge
<0> if everyone were doing asm, you'd thirst to use vbscript ;oP
<0> if u want to learn a niche, learn a useful one
<0> get urself up on vista
<1> i dono its a diff way of thinkging
<0> learn IL and how to make compilers for the CLS
<0> if u want to do low level
<1> i want to end up in security
<1> that my main goal
<0> you're a sadist :P
<1> lol
<1> i like it
<1> i cant help it
<1> i dono
<0> so, baremetal ***embly coding... or sys admin...
<0> the 2 aren't exactly closely related
<0> unless you mean software security
<1> ammm
<1> that too
<1> i did abit of all
<1> but i left it all for web dev
<1> coz it was money issue
<1> write security utils
<1> find vulns
<0> I've had thoughts about getting into the guts of it all and learning security exploits and their counters and such
<0> but I thought at the end of the day if you picture doing that as a job
<0> it's got to be as dry as hell
<1> ammm well ya
<1> depends
<1> pen-tests can be realy borring at the end
<0> it's a noble profession and all that - I'm not cut out for it tbh
<1> but if u keep ur self uptodate
<1> then i can alawys learn more and find urself new ways
<0> there'll always be plenty of people who know stuff that was learnt in the past
<0> and few on the edge
<0> I decided I'd rather be on the cutting edge
<0> and climbing there atm
<0> on a side note I'm about to swing this web server out the window
<1> i dont understan
<0> security, nothing is new
<0> how many new exploits do you hear of?
<0> there's buffer exploits
<0> ummm
<1> well not much
<1> thats true
<0> probably a couple more
<0> the only thing that changes is the finding of them
<1> but i want to cover it all
<1> ya
<1> and that what exite me
<1> i guess every subject that u work with it long enught get borring
<0> I thought like you for a long while
<0> or at least how it seems you do
<0> I read a book called Code
<0> by charles petzold
<0> ms press
<1> there so many subjects i want to cover.
<0> it basically chronicals the creation of computers
<1> i like ms press
<0> step by step, from basic codes to the predecessor to capacitors
<0> through capacitors bundled into chips
<0> and to a simple PC
<0> so I feel I have the knowledge to get some way to where we are today
<0> and I realised at that point all I wanted to know was who's shoulders I was standing on
<0> now I'm happy to climb up the pyramid and stand on the top
<0> there's plenty of gr*** roots programming still going on today
<0> with modern technologies
<0> you don't need to get archaic to feel you're doing something useful and new
<0> and you can get paid for it too
<0> web dev's got an obvious route at the moment - ajax
<0> atlas is an absolute beast to learn
<0> and really holding a lot of people back at the moment because it requires a lot of reading and low level understanding
<1> i dono web dev dont make me horny anymore
<1> i want to code for HW
<0> get yourself into vista dev then
<0> drivers for vista?
<0> will be a VERY profitable area
<1> i want to do the hard ****
<0> have a look at some modern C# code mate
<1> i want to get 150% of my brain working
<0> some of it makes ASM look like kid's maths
<1> ya but what sould i do with my current job ?
<0> exploit it
<1> i work 9-12 hours a day
<0> ur paid to use a PC all day
<1> while my boss is on vication
<1> i need to talk to the customers
<1> go on meetings
<1> code
<1> and see that the other ppls are doing thier job
<1> while my bos escape the army and go on vication with his kids to eurodisny
<0> now you're just sounding bitter ;p
<1> i worked last weeked all night to get my sata drive working to install a new fresh windows on it
<1> with vs.net
<1> but no good
<1> im gonna fix my 160G ide drive and install it on it insted
<1> but it will take some time until the company will give me a new one
<1> i neeed to make a move
<1> to make a change
<1> i cant stay in the same place
<1> i bought 3 books on .net
<1> c#, asp.net, and some general **** about the framework
<0> if they're good books and you know everything in them then 1) you should be very employable and 2) able to take mcpd certifications
<1> mcpd ?
<0> a fixed wage over here is probably more than k for .net devs with mcpds
<0> microsoft certified professional developer - ms wiped out all the old coding certs
<0> that's the only one that matters now
<0> and it's 100% .net
<1> i c
<0> the 3 book descriptions you stated are the criteria
<1> i dono i guess i need to go to a vication and come back with a cleared mind
<1> reinstall my system
<1> i was about to buy a whole new box just for studding .NET
<0> there's hardly any need
<1> ya
<1> i know
<1> but i didnt give ****
<0> my advice would probably simply not to bite off too much
<0> don't look at replicating your entire skillset
<0> look at something new and exciting and work toward that
<0> don't look at how you could do a forum in .net
<0> (nobody would, they'd just get community server)
<1> i didnt want to spend my time on HW installation
<1> so what sould i do ?
<0> decide if you want to do web development or desktop development
<0> or server development
<0> there's jobs and challenges in each area
<1> i need smth that i a short term could be funded by a company
<0> in that case put a case study to your boss for using .net for the next project
<1> so i can continue learning ang getting payed
<1> well im not sure...
<0> tbh most people don't need to, some bosses can be stupid, but they all understand "it'll take me a day in .net or a week in asp3"
<1> he barly wanted me to make those "libraries"
<1> he wanted me to use his cod
<1> e
<0> don't tell him what you're doing then, just that it'll take less time
<1> but its a business thinking
<1> he will ask if we dont have this module
<1> already in asp3
<1> or smth similer
<1> that we can change to make it work as the spec sais
<1> he dont give a **** about technology
<0> you can sell asp.net on more levels than that
<0> for instance if you use forms auth in an asp.net app you guarantee no bugs
<0> or, at least microsoft do
<1> lol
<1> he dont give a ****
<0> you also guarantee if the need arises you can switch to integrated auth
<0> or add roles
<1> as long as the cusotmer dosent ask it
<0> the technology is irelevant, it's the time and money saving that matters
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