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<0> g1bz ur alive ?
<1> hiya
<0> sup bud ?
<1> my web server's suddenly decided to start playing up
<1> think it overheard us talking about buying a new machine and scrapping it
<1> it is about due I guess... AMD K6-500
<1> :s
<0> i dono what is happening to me man, i feel like web dev isnt making my brain work... am i getting crazy ?
<1> could be
<0> tahts not funny
<0> man i fill like im losing it
<0> all i do all day is coding eShops and ****
<0> putting the same code (with some changed) in a diff design
<0> get from db write to db
<0> make some ui
<0> i dono its lame
<1> write automation libraries then
<0> what u mean ?
<1> if you're rewriting code in today's day and age u've only got urself to blame
<1> I can deploy e commerce sites, cms's, all sorts with barely any code
<1> asp.net 2 has got user registration and security pretty much wrapped up
<1> do the same for other facets of your apps
<0> thats what i did
<0> thats why my work is so borring now
<0> coz i use my libraries
<0> and all the work is done
<0> all i need to do it to put a new design
<0> to integrage the code in the design page
<1> make it simple enough for someone else to do then
<0> it is
<0> i have other programes that integrate my code in other projects
<0> i do most of the new dev in the company
<0> and the other devlopers put it if needed in other projects
<0> forums blogs bbs internat messaging articales news ect...
<0> internal*
<0> but still
<0> its boring
<0> coz all the system are about some ui and writing to db and reading from db
<0> upload files
<0> nothing new..
<1> if you're doing nothing new, you're not developing
<1> it's not the fault of web dev, it's the fault of whoever drives your projects
<0> thats right
<0> but we do project by demand
<0> and they all want the same ****
<0> my boss make a fortun
<0> but im starting to get stuppid and stuppider
<1> if you're good at what you do, set up yourself and contract out
<0> i cant
<0> i dono i dont feel that i want to do it anymore
<0> i mean its fun
<0> but i feel like its only money
<0> not coz its interesing
<0> once i wrote a forum
<0> how much new modules we can create...?
<0> its all coz of my job
<0> baaa i dono what i should do...
<0> should i qite my work
<1> how old are you?
<0> invest my self refreshing my c++ coding
<0> refresh java
<1> lol, why on earth would u move from web dev to c++ or java? :S
<0> learn some .net
<1> ur not doing .net?
<0> nop im leanging it now... need practice
<1> no wonder u find it boring
<0> hehe
<0> im 18 btw
<0> i dono there so much to learn
<1> u should of moved on when the rest of the world did, like well I've been doing .net almost solely for about 4 yrs
<0> its not the thing
<1> asp.net is 10000x more enjoyable than asp
<1> and rewarding
<1> takes out the monotony far more effectively
<0> i need money to pay rent, im good at web dev so i work in it but that leave 0time to do other ****
<1> you say u made so many libraries.. what in?
<0> i want to do some asm
<0> what in ?
<1> language
<0> ho
<0> asp 3
<1> vbscript...
<0> its not realy libraries
<1> indeed
<1> so I could repeat my original statement
<0> its a set of functions
<0> to handle the input and the output...
<1> my typical app development cycle consists of creating a project, adding my references, defining security then dragging controls off the toolbar
<1> I do that 30-40% of my time
<1> the other % I spend making those cl*** libraries, creating controls, researching to do it better
<1> the only break u get in asp3 is writing com objects
<1> and that's even less fun than the asp itself
<1> or sprocs ;\
<0> well that its not what is needed in my job
<1> .net is a world apart and gets rid of so much mundane crap
<0> and i cant evolv there
<1> if they won't move to .net they'll be dead soon anyway
<1> move on
<0> i know
<1> and the only work they'll get is low paid legacy crap
<0> i want to buy some new HW reinstall my OS and install VS.NET
<1> I taught myself .net then set up my own company
<0> and start coding
<0> i alreay read the book
<1> now I'm working for aol, warner, etc
<0> now i need to work with it
<1> the best advice I was ever given was to pick an industry
<1> determine the apps they use
<1> find an area where they don't have any good apps, or the good ones are really expensive
<1> then make an app to fill it
<1> by app I mean web or desktop
<0> ya but all this time u need to get paid...
<0> its a sort of investmant
<1> well at one point when I'd learnt enough I took the plunge
<1> the world is crying out for .net developers
<1> and typically those who come from asp3, learn asp.net properly, then dump asp are ideal
<0> i c
<1> it's a completely dead argument saying your fed up with web dev, when ur not doing asp.net
<0> i dono there some other **** i want to do too.. but the problem is that it wont pay in the short term
<1> stick with the day job - try to spend as much time learning new stuff, then leave
<1> cos if they won't move to .net u don't want to be there
<0> i want to get back to reverse eng
<0> work with asm
<1> what for?
<0> do some system codding
<0> coz i like it
<1> such as?
<0> the thing is that computer for me its not just a job
<0> i like it
<0> in deep of me
<0> every subject i can learn
<1> take a look at MS's modern research projects then
<1> don't learn backwards
<1> if u want to be an ms-based developer that is
<0> but the basics are in the past
<1> if u wanna be a *nix developer ur talking to the wrong person
<1> the basics are yes, but best practice is today
<0> well i want to learn *nix some day
<0> i want to learn from everything
<0> i have this crazy thing in my head
<1> I think most of ur indecision comes from being stuck in the middle and feeling the gr*** is greener either side
<0> no
<1> either in the past, working to boundaries that were knocked down long ago
<0> its not a greed matter
<1> or just elsewhere
<1> I know
<1> I'm not saying that
<1> it's an intelectual thing
<0> ya
<1> but you won't set the world alight writing asm
<1> nor will u really get anything out of it bar dead knowledge
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