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<0> i hate adobe and companies like them
<0> you hit download, you get taken to the download page when you have to explicitly turn OFF the extras they wanna download
<0> then you hit next and you get a page where you have to turn off the google toolbar
<0> then you finally get to apage, but they can't just link to the download
<0> they have to do one of those 5 second delays
<0> so that instead of just working, you get one of the infobar warnings from IE
<0> then you finally get the app, and its just an installer downloader
<1> welcome to the internet
<0> wtf are these people thinking
<0> Installation was successful, However because your drive is fragmented, this application may not be able to launch as quickly as possible.
<0> To optimize performance, please defragment your hard drive and then repair this application.
<0> wtf
<1> I didn't realize that fragmentation was equivalent to breakage
<0> sounds like adobe reader 8 is slow as ****
<0> and they needed a scapegoat



<2> Doh_ you ever do any basic stamp projects?
<0> nope
<2> intresting chip
<2> just reading a online manual about setting IO pins hi or low, they clearly explain it setting a pin high means +v(vdd), low -v(vcc or ground), wich explains alot when looking at switching circuits and reversing voltage
<2> yikes Anna Nicole Smith DEAD?
<0> unless she's the second coming of our lord and savior
<0> then we can expect her in 3 days
<3> morning..
<4> we are looking for vb programmer: just pm if ur interested, thnks
<5> mm
<6> a text box forecolor defaults to "Window Text" colour. lets say i change the forecolor to orange, how do i set it back to "Window Text"
<6> besides saving that color to a variable on app start
<5> like .color = "windows default" ?
<6> yeah
<5> What if you do = "" ?
<6> it doesnt work doing it as simply as that
<6> ah, i'll try
<5> Then you would probably have to save it at start.
<6> nope
<6> yeah, easier than doing an API :)
<7> =SystemColorConstants.vbWindowText
<6> haha
<6> bigal saves the day again :)
<5> Hes the saviour =)
<6> i've recently switched to a black background and white text for everything
<6> much easier on the eyes
<5> I see
<6> a few programs here and there do what i did in my code. blah.forecolor = cBlack 'a const i created, which is now a variable = SystemColorConstants.vbWindowText
<6> heres an interesting thought, you guys might be interested. i was thinking how visually dependant programming is. and was trying to think of a way to diversify the way we recieve/process information while programming
<6> i was trying to think of ways a VB addin, that did text to speech could help in application development
<5> Development?
<6> for example, you could hold a bound key and click on an object in VB, and it could read the code, or give you an audio description of the code
<5> Haha
<6> i havent thought of anything properly practical yet, but still quite interested in the idea.
<6> i'm busy working on 2 apps (which work together) atm which are approaching 20k lines
<5> 20k dones't sound like very much.
<6> so whenever i add something new, or change something, or check something. for each thing there is usually one physical object, some code in that object, possible some more supporting code somewhere in a module, then some code which sends a message to the other app. then code in the other app that recieves the message, does something on the other side somewhere, sends a message back
<6> and so it goes :p
<5> mm;)
<6> 20k lines doesnt sound like much? hehe for me its many times the biggest app i've ever made
<5> ;)
<5> How do you count the lines?
<6> i've got this VB line counter addin
<6> i'm interested in checking out python
<5> Whats the addin name?
<6> apparently its 2x faster to code than VB
<6> and its syntax is like very simplistic and non-verbose
<6> apparently the code size is like 1/5th of average languages
<5> Whats the addin name?
<6> i'm looking :p
<5> Ok
<5> I would really like to know how many lines I got ;)
<6> http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=42065&lngWId=1
<5> Thank you
<6> if u want i've got the 2 files it needs and a bat that installs it :p
<6> simplifies compiling it etc
<5> Whats in the zip file from the site?
<6> all the source and nonsense
<5> I see.
<5> Can you put that up on a http?
<6> ah



<6> dcc only really
<6> i could emai
<6> l
<5> mm, mail
<6> done
<7> python is weird
<7> indentations act as {}
<6> oh
<6> thats pretty cool
<7> lots of the eve-online mmo is done in python
<6> what i really like about it is that its high level very productive language to code in. and modules that need speed, u code in c++ and they get built into the python engine or something (/me != python expert)
<7> i've never used it either
<5> ty Lope_-
<6> np
<8> w00t
<8> got a interview for a web developer job
<8> better find out what XSL si
<8> is*
<6> hehe
<6> Xtensive Syber language!
<8> ah, i've already got several years experience in that
<6> what languages do u code in?
<8> big list, but mainly VB, C++, PHP, ASP
<6> i want to learn some web coding language. i'm considering (in order of pref) PHP, ASP, and python
<8> well, i haven't coded ASP in like years, but this job is ASP, so i guess i better start again ;p
<8> yeah i'd say learn PHP
<8> so much better than ASP
<6> PHP because its simple, ASP because i can easily interface with VB etc and python because its superior and i really like the sound of it :)
<8> i've never touched python
<6> u rate PHP is a lot better than ASP?
<6> in what ways?
<6> i like the fact that servers dont cost anything :p
<8> ASP is so limited without server objects, which unless you have your own server you won't be able to add any
<6> how hard would it be for a PHP server to send/recieve messages with VB apps?
<6> i see
<8> PHP come built in with so much stuff like support for a million database servers, image editing, crypto, sockets, etc etc
<8> with sockets?
<6> yeah
<8> like vb app listening on a port with winsock
<8> easy
<8> sockets are built in
<6> wow
<6> i'm sold
<6> any good PHP books u would reccomend?
<6> i've got some book on PHP/mysql somewhere
<8> no, the only thing you need is www.php.net
<8> the documentation is so extensive
<8> its got tutorials
<8> and explanations of every function
<8> with examples
<6> sweet
<8> and user comments where people show other ways to use the function etc
<8> all i ever needed
<6> :)
<6> have u done any shopping basket type sites?
<8> like if you looked at the connect function, there'll be code showing you how to connect to a server and send and recv data
<6> have u done any shopping basket type sites?
<8> not written any myself
<8> but with php, it has stuff built in to interface with payment gateways
<8> so it wouldn't be so hard
<6> i see
<6> what kind of sites u done?
<7> http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/quantum-computer-to-debut-next-tuesday/
<9> hii
<5> mm
<9> does anyone know how to set the header alignment to center in datagrid?
<9> i cant find it in its property...
<9> helloo?
<7> iirc you cant
<9> what iirc?
<7> if i remember correctly
<7> you cant
<9> ohh...
<7> get the width of the header, the width of the text and work out how many spaces to add infront of it


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