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<0> I haven't agreed with a word you've said all day
<1> whats your position on the whole war and this privacy issue?
<0> the war: was a good thing to do, it needed to be done, it was right to do, but it needs to be wrapped up and finished off
<0> iran and the rest of the middle east need to burn in hell
<0> and the privacy issue is bunk
<0> if you're not planning to blow up the world, then who cares if some CIA guy sees your cookie recipe you're sending to mom?
<0> is it REALLY that big of a deal?
<1> see, its thinking like that
<1> you think it will stop where it is now?
<1> it will only get worse, and as long as people support it
<1> it will be alot easier for it to happen
<0> as long as people support it... why is it bad?
<0> don't say anything
<1> i m sure you've heard about his future plans for the implantation of baby's with the microchips?
<0> that logic only works on a small scale
<2> heh. just because the populus supports it doesn't mean it's a good thing.
<0> microchips that are implanted at the parents' approval?
<1> no
<1> they will be mandatory
<1> starting some year i cant remember
<0> evulish: that's why I changed my statement
<0> it didn;t sound the way I meant it
<0> nanotech: and what will the chips provide/accomplish?
<1> evulish right, but he did it without the consent of the people, so dont uou think if now hes like hell i got half of the peoples approval, lets do it...
<2> i'm not talking about the war
<1> K|O|G|I well they say it will provide records of them, all their criminal history and medical records etc etc..
<1> evulish i was refering to the privacy issue
<2> then who did what without the consent of the people?
<1> also some kind of "
<2> we elect the officials
<1> tracking" device
<2> that make those decisions
<0> ok... same as your paper records do now
<1> lol i dont have a paper behind my ear
<1> so no, it doesnt do the same thing as they do
<0> nanotech: unless the chip has some sort of tracking feature, or personal disabler/inflictor, I don't see a probelm
<2> i don't buy the whole embedded rfid chip
<1> is has a tracking feature
<2> that's not going to happen
<2> we don't even have national id cards
<1> one of the things they were promoting it with or arguing it with is that if your kid gerts kidnapped they will be able to find em
<0> nanotech: in that case, I don't support it unless it's a convicted criminal or someone on probation
<1> evulish lol, why do you think all these new privacy laws are being implemented
<1> ?
<1> it is going to happen
<2> what privacy laws, specifically?
<0> it's a conspiracy!!!
<0> they're going to take over our lives!!!
<1> as long as people keep "i dont care as long as i m not doing anything wrong"
<1> K|O|G|I lol EXACTLY
<0> run and hide... no one can escape Big Brother!
<1> thats what its aiming towards
<0> nanotech: you're a moron
<0> conspiracy theorist
<1> evulish so you know about the id cards also rigth/
<0> go read a book
<1> ?
<2> nanotech: what law is that?
<1> evulish i m not a lawer.... i just watch cnn and read science journals
<2> honestly, i think we do need to take a stand against our privacy rights
<2> the more we give in to little things, the more control they have over us
<1> evulish that exactly what i m saying
<2> it's not a conspiracy or anything like that
<2> as it's happened before
<2> that's why the US exists
<1> K|O|G|I when the attourney general was being questioned about the wiretaps
<2> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."
<0> i agree with that
<1> one question was "its not an issue of you listening tot he terroist, but can you ***ure us that no people not involved in terrorist activity will be listened to"
<1> and his reponse was "i cant answer that question"
<2> i'm not citing the source of that quote, because anyone who doesn't know that should not be an american
<2> K|O|G|I: agree with what?
<0> [11:11:31] <2> "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."
<1> now i do have a conspiricy theory here, now say they do start implanting these people with these chips
<2> didn't you say "as long as you're not doing anything wrong, who cares?" or something like that?
<1> and they have some kind of defect that mr.hacker founds out that hmm lets say, makse you die
<1> lol
<1> wouldnt that sux?
<1> hmm, lets not even go as extreme as die
<1> foudn a way todownload the information from your chip
<1> as it would have EVERYTHING about you
<1> thatd open a whole knew world of fraud
<0> evulish: no, i didn't say that... nano, was stating that poepl e seem to have that attitude
<2> people don't have a problem with the bag searches on the subway
<2> i do
<1> [13:01] <0> if you're not planning to blow up the world, then who cares if some CIA guy sees your cookie recipe you're sending to mom?
<1> :)))
<2> i don't have anything illegal in my bag
<2> but i'd rather the police ***ume that i don't and i'll be willing to risk it
<0> evulish: I think your quote is a good one, but it doesn't apply unconditionally
<2> yes it does
<2> going back to the subway..
<0> well... then fire all the cops... dissemble the military... an d let the country have their "freedom"
<2> i'm no safer after they started checking bags than i was before
<2> but i have lost freedom
<0> evulish: UNLESS they search the guy's bag behind you and find something
<1> but having cops doesnt make you loose any freedom
<0> then you have benefitted
<2> criminals have to be resourcefal. law enforcement has to be preventative.
<2> K|O|G|I: so i'll strap a bomb to a 10-year-old girl in with her cl***mates
<2> nanotech: sure it does
<0> nanotech: yes it does
<2> i lose my freedom to run around the streets naked
<1> lol
<1> right
<1> well i agree with that statement to a point
<1> i dont thin the world should be as controled as it is
<3> yeah me too
<1> just in certain cases
<0> and you're also protected from fat lady doing the same for you to see
<0> :P
<1> such with murders, and things of that sort.
<3> I agree with strapping 10 yr old girls with explosives
<1> but this small bull**** is going to far
<1> going to jail for parking tickets
<1> who the hell in the world do you hurt when you dont pay your parking tickets
<1> back to my statement that this country is all about money
<1> and the money doesnt efven go to that good of a use
<2> depends on where you park
<1> have you seen bush's new budget for 06?
<2> i'm sure i could find a few parking spots that would kill over 100 people
<1> the car is not moving
<1> heh
<1> BUT
<1> that not point
<1> the point is they will take you to jail for parking in a safe spot without paying
<1> its the money that matters to them, not the spot
<2> no ****
<0> no... the fee is a punishment
<2> the government needs money to run
<2> just like everyone
<0> for doing something you weren't supposed to do
<0> and unless that punishment is enforced, it is not a punishment
<0> if you didn't have to pay the fine, why issue it in the first place?
<1> K|O|G|I but then who gets to choose whats wrong and right?
<0> and if you don't issue the fine, then why make that parking spot illegal?
<0> nanotech: you do
<1> if thats the case they could say that eating is wrong, and then youd goto jail for that.
<0> that's how law creation works
<0> every law is voted on and p***ed before it is enforced
<1> K|O|G|I then you just make it so they have to pay a fine at palces that your NOT supposed to park
<1> is what i m saying
<1> instead of making you have to pay a fine for parking in a designated area.
<0> if you want in on the smaller laws and the voting thereof, start attending city council
<0> nanotech: why would you get a ticket if you were parked in a legal parking space?
<1> well this is all way before my time
<0> what?
<1> because you didnt pay the metor 25$ extra for that time you was arguing with the cashier
<0> well... it is understood that you have to pay to park there
<1> and why is that?
<0> if you are parked there and not paid, you are in voiolation
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