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<0> doesnt look right to me.
<0> nm
<0> i got it
<1> is there a easy way to set a session timeout?
<2> sure
<2> session_set_cookie_params
<1> ok thanks
<3> ...
<3> Being a BASIC coder, I've found that $ and semicolons are my nemeses.
<4> BASIC--
<2> remember you syntax
<3> I know.
<2> I hate when I go back to somethin glike python and I'm still typing $
<2> doh
<3> But at least I'm expanding my horizons.
<2> nothing wrong withthat
<3> I tried switching over to c...
<3> But I just couldn't start over again with 'Hello World!'
<3> I mean, at least with php (with the help of this channel) I'm doing operations pretty much on par with what I've ever done in Basic...
<4> let you in on a little secret
<2> basic, ewww
<4> if you can disconnect "the language" from "the API", you're a huge step ahead on learning C
<4> because PHP is a lot like C's syntax
<2> most of them these days are more syntacally the same then diff
<4> in fact, all languages based on Pascal (and there are a lot) are similar
<2> its perlish, cish
<4> c and all of its similar languages can be traced to pascal
<4> Confessor: if you can realize that nearly all of the functions in a language, like mysql_query(), number_format(), and all of those, are merely convenience functions given to you as a programmer and are not part of the language
<4> you are on your way to becoming a better programmer
<4> because then you can disconnect syntax-from-library and learn new languages with ease
<4> you are by no means tied down to using PHP's standard functions, you can reinvent the wheel on all of them -- while not optimal, doable
<4> same thing with python, or C, or C++, a zillion alternative core libraries exist
<4> i've programmed C without any libc calls (just libc calling _main()), which is an interesting sight
<5> in C++ someone actually did that
<5> it's called Boost
<5> they said **** it, the std library ****s
<5> lets make our own
<5> and they did
<5> and it pwns
<4> i'm tempted on python
<2> dont tnink anyone has done that with python
<4> i hate having my globals() filled up with modules
<5> what's wrong with Python's std library?
<2> its huge
<2> and easy
<5> yay for huge and easy
<4> it'd be nice if everything was under name, like python.<whatever>
<5> ew?
<5> I mean you can do that manually if you want
<5> and just hack your import handler to do that
<4> ew on manually
<5> rather than rewriting it al
<5> all
<2> have fun rewriting that
<5> yeah
<2> that be like rewriting all cpan honestly
<5> it'd be a bitch but hey it would accomplish it.
<2> it could be done
<4> you know what really irks me about python?
<3> You know, jed... I had a quiz program with an expandable database in mind for my next WIP. Rather trivial in VB given my current skill with that language, but given your encouragement, I think I'll try writing it in C.
<4> nm, i pretty much said it, and Cancel will launch into a meaningless dissecting of it
<4> Confessor: C is a monstrous beast
<3> Thank you.
<6> I like C
<4> don't get me wrong
<2> thats ambitious
<4> it covers a lot of ground unfamiliar to you
<4> like memory management
<2> pointers references
<4> go slow, you will get a lot of crashes while learning it
<6> C++ still bugs me, but I can see some places where it'd be useful.
<2> I'd work on something else first
<4> there's no references in C
<6> C# is somewhat nice too.
<2> write I'm thinking c++
<4> c# is great
<2> right rather
<4> i love it
<4> c# 2.0 is where it's at
<5> ugh
<3> That's the 2005 version, right?
<4> generators for the win
<4> yes
<6> I havn't used .NET 2.0, just 1.1
<4> i really wish someone would hurry up and finalize a python implementation on .net
<3> Still working VB 2003, myself...
<4> everything's still in beta or abandoned
<2> I'm liking ironpython
<2> just started using it
<5> well
<5> Ironpython just came out of the blue
<5> and released a beta
<4> i want to see it move away from the python api model
<3> Promised myself I would upgrade *nothing* on my computer until the system completely gives out.
<5> I think it was just hybernating
<5> jedzilla: use ruby then. :P
<2> Zenethian: the guy works for ms now
<4> no sys, no __builtin__, none of that ugly __identifier__ crap that makes me hate python so
<5> Cancel: I know. "hibernating" hehe.
<4> __identifier__ is the ugliest construct in the history of programming, second to perl
<4> what the **** was guido thinking
<5> In other words, people at Microsoft were combing over it to see how it can be more Microsofty
<4> it makes code look like pure, indian ****
<4> __cmp__ as opposed to __compare__, even though guido says "abbreviating things is bad!" in several style guides
<2> Zenethian: I like being able to use any .net thing in python
<2> and use any of my python cl***es
<2> its going to come in handy
<5> Yeah, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, only that it makes me worry, that's all.
<2> will make my life easier
<5> I fear Microsoft doing to Python what they tried to do with Java and introducing a ton of incompatabilities between the two
<2> if you can catch the video demo from the creator interesting things
<4> ironpython 0.6 is still on the internet
<4> i think he left that there just-in-case
<4> you can fork it if you don't trust microsoft
<5> yep
<4> i, otoh, do
<4> java deserved what it got
<4> :)
<5> :P
<2> well you get the iron with the source
<2> save for the .net stuff does what python does
<4> i'd like to just see python completely on .net
<4> built-in types converted and all of that
<4> no standard python modules
<2> well it doesnt have the standards unless you append the sys.path
<2> its just iron python
<4> what's [] instantiated as?
<4> is it 'list', as i suspect?
<2> after you append the path then you can import any of the standard modules
<2> but you can use it without doing that
<2> then you're straightup iron python
<4> if it's 'list', it can be easily converted to System.Collections.ArrayList with System.Objects
<6> I think Javascript would be a kick-*** language if someone made a standalone version with more advanced objects.
<2> no need to convert
<2> clr
<4> i mean, what is the intrinsic type of the [] syntax?
<4> if you type it in python, and let ironpython instantiate it
<4> is it a System.Collections.ArrayList or is it some ironpython-specific doojabber
<3> I've just established that strtotime() works perfectly with my chosen date/time format!
<3> 12Mar2005 6:15 AM!
<2> depnds on where you are working with it at
<4> that statement right there frightens me
<2> watch the video of the guy who made it
<2> jedzilla: when you are in .net like c# its c# when you are in python its python
<2> watch his video
<2> he explains it well
<4> well when i do
<4> int x;
<4> in c#, it creates a System.Int32 (iirc)
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