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<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Bar_of_California
<0> see "Lawyer Admissions"
<1> Two-Bits: that was just an example
<1> i dunno if they're violating gpl now
<1> linksys WAS when they first released the wrt54g
<1> but now the source is available
<2> mkay. what were you referring to when you said "why has no one done it"?
<0> hmm
<0> actually the bar requires some schooling, doesn't have to be an accredited ABA school
<0> groogs, linksys and broadcom continue to break the GPL
<1> Two-Bits: i dunno, poutine seems to think people are actively violating it
<2> the first course of action would be to inform the violator of the violation and request that they cease their violation :P
<0> broadcom's driver is linked into the linux kernel, and they won't release the source, they distributed it to linksys, and linksys distributed it to a **** ton of people
<2> poutine: in what manner?
<2> ahh
<2> define "linked into the linux kernel"
<0> Two-Bits, that's the tricky part, they want to say it's not "linked" because it wasn't statically compiled into the kernel but it's a module with no other configuration but to load
<2> hrm.. not sure i follow
<2> if the driver is their own code in it's entirity, whether it uses the linux kernel or not, whether the linux kernel loads it or not, it's still their code
<2> is something else going on?
<1> Two-Bits: GPL says anything that links to GPL'd software has to be GPL
<1> (hence why people call it viral)
<2> how does the GPL define "links"?
<0> it doesn't
<2> then that'd be why no one's contested it
<2> to be found in violation of unclear or undefined licensing terms would truely be a feat
<3> is there a quick utility that'll identify your mobo? i don't feel like opening my case
<3> it's an i810 something
<2> i'm sure there is. dont know the name of any offhand
<2> perhaps finding the bios string would suffice?
<1> You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above
<1> These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the who
<1> le must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
<4> its going to take you longer to get a piece of software and install it then to just open the case real quick and take a peak
<1> it doesn't actually say "linked", it says "dervied" .. so basically you need to figure out if a kernel module is dervied from the kernel, or its own standalone program
<2> if the kernel module does not contain the protected source code of the kernel or a modified version of kernel code, then it's not protected by GPL
<1> likely if the GPL ever goes to trial, it'll be about defining what constitutes a "derived work"
<2> it doesn't sound like this "module" is a derived work at all. not even in the loosest sence
<2> sense*
<1> Two-Bits: right, but doesn't it contain the object locations?
<1> that you had to link against kernel headers to obtain
<1> er, rather, compile with
<2> think of how many .dll files contain symbolic references to the core win32 api
<2> yet they are not derived works in violation of microsoft's licensing
<1> does microsoft's licencing have that clause? probably not
<2> symbolic references to exposed api's of external works would not constitute a derived work
<3> good god, i can only put PC 133 RAM in this?
<0> However, in many cases you can distribute the GPL-covered software alongside your proprietary system. To do this validly, you must make sure that the free and non-free programs communicate at arms length, that they are not combined in a way that would make them effectively a single program.
<0> The difference between this and "incorporating" the GPL-covered software is partly a matter of substance and partly form. The substantive part is this: if the two programs are combined so that they become effectively two parts of one program, then you can't treat them as two separate programs. So the GPL has to cover the whole thing.
<0> If the two programs remain well separated, like the compiler and the kernel, or like an editor and a shell, then you can treat them as two separate programs--but you have to do it properly. The issue is simply one of form: how you describe what you are doing. Why do we care about this? Because we want to make sure the users clearly understand the free status of the GPL-covered software in the collection.
<0> If people were to distribute GPL-covered software calling it "part of" a system that users know is partly proprietary, users might be uncertain of their rights regarding the GPL-covered software. But if they know that what they have received is a free program plus another program, side by side, their rights will be clear.
<1> yeah, i forgot about that part
<1> if you could say, make a kernel module that would load in linux AND say, freebsd .. then you'd probably be clear
<3> that would be impossible
<3> without recompilation
<1> well who knows
<0> the broadcom driver was tailored for that device, it's as much part of the kernel as anything
<2> i dont think that peticularly matters
<1> maybe you can contribute some GPL/BSD'd changes to each kernel to make it possible
<3> 1.4 ghz p4, 768 mb pc 133 sdram, four IDE devices
<1> or just find a way to do it
<2> dlink isn't releasing it's module WITH linux
<3> if i upgrade the mobo, i'll get a serious performance increase, won't i
<2> it's releasing it FOR USE with linux
<2> right?
<3> and keeping the p4 would be worth it, wouldn't it
<0> it's not for use with linux
<1> people used to think 200GB was unfathomable, let alone fitting it in a 3.5" x 7" box
<0> you can't take that binary and use it elsewhere
<2> then how is it not for use with linux?
<5> I don't see anything in terms of linking programs in the GPL text.
<2> kicken: not by the term "link"
<2> it's apparently the section dealing with derived works and what is and is not covered
<6> ****
<6> how do you include a jsp
<6> <%! include file %> or something
<2> if it's like ssi, it's <!--#include file="" -->
<0> The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any ***ociated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distribut
<0> ed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable.
<3> http://www.wimp.com/juggernaut/
<0> **** the GPL
<2> heh
<1> theres probably a way around it..
<1> modify your compilier to a bunch of things a bit differently
<1> then compile your source against that
<1> someone could reverse engineer it and come up with their own compilier that would work, but .. its a signifigant barrier
<1> (or fix your code)
<3> i'm the mother****in juggernaut, bitch
<2> at first blush, it doesn't sound like linksys is in any violation of GPL
<2> and with that, i go play poker
<5> I'd probably release stuff under LGPL or something if I ever bothered to ***ociate licenses with stuff I made. Not that anything I make is really worthy of a license.
<7> MIT license is the way to go, baby
<6> hahahaha
<7> not that it even matters, because even if you use GPL and someone steals... you have to be willing to take them to court
<6> my boss made the world's worst login system.
<6> everything was accesible.. as long as you knew the right url
<6> and it was guessable
<7> &loggedIn=yes
<6> not even. _workplace/workplace.jsp
<5> &superDuperAdministrator=yes
<6> heh. so i just went through and added login checking code. and accidently added it to the login files themselves
<3> <form method="GET" action="login.php">
<6> liiiiittle bit of recursion
<5> I'm working on code made by a partner company of ours. It's pretty open aswell
<5> and horrid php coding standards.
<5> sql injection would be pretty easy in most places.
<5> I guess it's a good thing they don't work on any big-name sites.
<7> un-irreg1rdless: submit it to www.thedailywtf.com
<3> i'm the juggernaut beeeitch
<8> can you use php -f for a file on a website?
<3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130519#DetailSpecs
<3> can i stick a p4 1.4 GHz in that that isn't HT?
<3> it's pretty vague in that regard
<3> because that's an awfully fast FSB
<9> i have a random image script that works for one, image, but if i use the script link more than once is posts the same images xtimes
<10> the problem is in line 32
<11> how do i do multiple WHERE statements in a mysql SELECT query? WHERE X=1, X=2?
<6> AND
<11> ah
<8> where some = something and somethingelse = somethingelse
<11> word
<11> thanks
<10> haha
<10> I told you
<10> thirrrrrty two
<10> psychic debugging
<7> rmpants: WHERE X IN (1,2)
<7> rmpants: OR... WHERE X = 1 OR X = 2
<11> X was just an example ;p
<11> should have done X Y
<11> oh well
<11> mmm cheesecake for dinner
<7> ok... WHERE X = 1 AND Y = 2
<3> wtf?
<3> my current motherboard is 400 MHz system bus
<3> but all of the intel motherboards i'm finding on newegg are 533/800
<0> thedailywtf.com kind of ****s
<11> jedzilla: as long as the pin counts match, it shouldn't matter
<0> its mostly vb and c# code, with the type of people who program in those language are you really surprised?
<11> it'll underclock to the bus speed it can run at
<3> k
<3> that'll probably affect my memory performance, won't it
<11> it'll be underclocked too
<3> so i won't achieve PC3200?
<3> bummer
<3> no, wait, i can
<3> because PC3200 is DDR 400MHz
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